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3 years ago  ::  Aug 11, 2011 - 12:10AM #1
solfeggio
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Well, what do you know?  Eating red meat every day will increase your risk of developing type 2 diabetes:

www.boston.com/Boston/dailydose/2011/08/...

Read the linked article to find out the particulars.

Will this information cause people to actually stop and think about what they are eating?  Nah. 

The taste of the steak or sausage is so very much more important than whether the eating of it might just push your body over the edge and into one of the most miserable of diseases, diabetes.

Because, hey, people have always eaten meat, haven't they?  And screw all those doctors and scientists that are trying to spoil your fun with their stupid studies.  They're always coming up with something new every day, anyway.  And, hell, you only eat red meat in moderation, so what difference does it make?
       
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3 years ago  ::  Aug 11, 2011 - 12:48AM #2
Mlyons619
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Aug 11, 2011 -- 12:10AM, solfeggio wrote:

Well, what do you know?  Eating red meat every day will increase your risk of developing type 2 diabetes:

www.boston.com/Boston/dailydose/2011/08/...

Read the linked article to find out the particulars.

Will this information cause people to actually stop and think about what they are eating?  Nah. 

The taste of the steak or sausage is so very much more important than whether the eating of it might just push your body over the edge and into one of the most miserable of diseases, diabetes.

Because, hey, people have always eaten meat, haven't they?  And screw all those doctors and scientists that are trying to spoil your fun with their stupid studies.  They're always coming up with something new every day, anyway.  And, hell, you only eat red meat in moderation, so what difference does it make?
       



Nope.  Screw those G-D holier-than-thou vegans who push their religion in the faces of others worse than any fundie Christian group I know.


From your link


...those who ate the most red meat also tended to eat fewer fruits and vegetables and were more likely to smoke and be obese. While the study used statistical methods to account for all of these lifestyle factors -- which also contribute to Type 2 diabetes risk -- it’s tough to account for all the variables when observing the habits of populations and drawing conclusions from them. As the researchers themselves admitted at the end of the study, “observed associations do not necessarily mean causation.”


In fact, some, like science writer Gary Taubes, may take strong issue with the finding since they strongly believe that sugar is largely to blame for the sharp increase in diabetes that’s occurred in our nation...



So now it goes down to ONE researcher, and his findings are not universily accepted by his peers.

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3 years ago  ::  Aug 11, 2011 - 12:55AM #3
Wanderingal
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What pray tell is a "veggan"?

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3 years ago  ::  Aug 11, 2011 - 12:56AM #4
Mlyons619
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A fundie from outer space, synonomous with "vegan"...

"No freedom without education"
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3 years ago  ::  Aug 11, 2011 - 6:01AM #5
DotNotInOz
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And as Yogi Berra might say, "Deja vu all over again."
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3 years ago  ::  Aug 11, 2011 - 8:00AM #6
REteach
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Nutr Metab Cardiovasc Dis. 2011 Jul 9. [Epub ahead of print]


The role of diet in the prevention of type 2 diabetes.


Salas-Salvadó J, Martinez-González MA, Bulló M, Ros E.


 


From the abstract:  Together with the maintenance of ideal body weight, the promotion of the so-called prudent diet (characterized by a higher intake of food groups that are generally recommended for health promotion, particularly plant-based foods, and a lower intake of red meat, meat products, sweets, high-fat dairy and refined grains) or a Mediterranean dietary pattern rich in olive oil, fruits and vegetables, including whole grains, pulses and nuts, low-fat dairy, and moderate alcohol consumption (mainly red wine) appears as the best strategy to decrease diabetes risk, especially if dietary recommendations take into account individual preferences, thus enabling long-time adherence.


 


Note "lower" intake of red meat, not meatless.


 


Also from the OP:


"Lastly, those who ate the most red meat also tended to eat fewer fruits and vegetables and were more likely to smoke and be obese. While the study used statistical methods to account for all of these lifestyle factors -- which also contribute to Type 2 diabetes risk -- it’s tough to account for all the variables when observing the habits of populations and drawing conclusions from them. As the researchers themselves admitted at the end of the study, “observed associations do not necessarily mean causation.”

I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize what you heard was not what I meant...
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3 years ago  ::  Aug 11, 2011 - 12:07PM #7
DotNotInOz
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In short, the conclusion Solfeggio draws--

Aug 10, 2011 -- 11:10PM, solfeggio wrote:
Well, what do you know?  Eating red meat every day will increase your risk of developing type 2 diabetes....


isn't supported by the evidence cited.

Hint: Most of us read carefully enough to observe when the evidence clearly doesn't support the conclusion drawn.

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3 years ago  ::  Aug 11, 2011 - 12:26PM #8
rabello
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Oh brother


But isn't it interesting that those who ate the most red meat tended to be obese smokers?


 

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3 years ago  ::  Aug 11, 2011 - 2:14PM #9
Wanderingal
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There's no question from all the evidence that lower amounts of fat in relation to total body weight are more indicative of a healthier metabolism.


And eating less fat-laden red meat while increasing the amount of vegetables and fruits also tends to increase the chances of overall general health.


Having grown up in the midwest at a time when ingesting large quantities of red meat AND smoking one or more packs of cigarettes a day wasthought to be indicative of "the Good Life" and then watching the mortality rates, I can attest from personal observation that the red meat eaters/cigatrette smokers tended to have more overall health problems.


It's interesting to see some scientific research backing up what I sensed intuitively.


As one friend said--and which seems to be turning out to be proved by science--""Eating closer to the bottom of the food chain is healthier."


IE--the more plants and the less meat overall, the better.


 


 

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3 years ago  ::  Aug 11, 2011 - 2:17PM #10
jane2
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Not scientific---


Just watching it seems the genes play a big role in who becomes a diabetic


 

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