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5 years ago  ::  Mar 26, 2009 - 9:22PM #11
mountain_man
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Mar 26, 2009 -- 5:01PM, trudging wrote:

coping skills...hah yeh right.


Step 1 tells me I can't cope...



Then learn.


Thats not coping, its just me obeying.



Learn to live instead of learn to obey.


 

Dave - Just a Man in the Mountains.

I am a Humanist. I believe in a rational philosophy of life, informed by science, inspired by art, and motivated by a desire to do good for its own sake and not by an expectation of a reward or fear of punishment in an afterlife.
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5 years ago  ::  Mar 26, 2009 - 10:38PM #12
mikeincolorado
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Ironically, many do learn to cope within the fellowship of AA. ;) I was in a meeeting last night where several people shared that experience

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 27, 2009 - 1:40AM #13
trudging
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Step 1 doesn't change for me, unless I take my will back.


Then it all becomes a lie and down I go.


For me its a design for living, not something I can pretend to do.


So I'll try my best to obey Gods will for my life. If it didn't work I wouldn't bother.

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 27, 2009 - 8:34PM #14
mountain_man
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Mar 27, 2009 -- 1:40AM, trudging wrote:


So I'll try my best to obey Gods will for my life. If it didn't work I wouldn't bother.




I would. I would always make the choice to live life. I do not need a god to give my life meaning.

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 28, 2009 - 1:24AM #15
trudging
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I'd be agreein with ya if I had the choice, its either God or I'm gone insane.


Thats how it is for some of us. Its a beautiful thing.


Its similar to a deadly dangerous idea,


ever hear of Cantor, Boltzman, Godel, Turing?


they all held the same dangerous idea, that they could play math with the infinite, touch God with equations. Cantor started it and died insane in an asylum, Boltzman carried on his work and hung himself, Godel starved himself to death and Turing ate a cyanide laced apple.


They were all brilliant.


Alkies, whether they admit it or not are caught up in the same spiral and theres only one way out that I ever found.

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 28, 2009 - 2:12PM #16
mountain_man
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Mar 28, 2009 -- 1:24AM, trudging wrote:

I'd be agreein with ya if I had the choice, its either God or I'm gone insane.



Why do you make that choice?


They were all brilliant.


Alkies, whether they admit it or not are caught up in the same spiral and theres only one way out that I ever found.



Relying upon a mythical god to keep yourself sober is not a brilliant idea.


You got that right; the ONLY way out is to make the decision to NEVER use again.

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 30, 2009 - 4:25PM #17
trudging
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Alcoholics have lost the power of choice, its a medical fact.


If alkies could choose to just not drink....they wouldn't be alcoholic would they ?,


that is obvious to the rest of the world... except for untreated alcoholics.


 God has not only kept me sober but sane for over 10 yrs now, I quit drinking on my own for 5 yrs once and that was the most insane 5 yrs I've lived.


 

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 30, 2009 - 5:40PM #18
mountain_man
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Mar 30, 2009 -- 4:25PM, trudging wrote:

Alcoholics have lost the power of choice, its a medical fact.



That is NOT a medical fact but something made up by AA.


If alkies could choose to just not drink....they wouldn't be alcoholic would they ?,


that is obvious to the rest of the world... except for untreated alcoholics.



The only way anyone ever ends an addiction is by making the decision to not use.


...God .....



I could not care less about gods.

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 30, 2009 - 7:48PM #19
trudging
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Well find something that works for YOU,


its perfectly ok not to believe in God, I'm very certain I wouldn't believe in your God either.

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 31, 2009 - 12:40AM #20
mountain_man
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Mar 30, 2009 -- 7:48PM, trudging wrote:


Well find something that works for YOU,




If only AA had that attitude people would not be being forced into a religious program; they'd be allowed to find what works for them



its perfectly ok not to believe in God, I'm very certain I wouldn't believe in your God either.




I have no god, no higher power, no superstitions.

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