| 4 years ago :: Oct 08, 2009 - 1:28AM #31 | |
This is a nice quote here. It's a real question that would make a nice topic. I belong to a group that does steps yearly. We have a meeting that meets once per week. That's it. We meet for lunch on Friday when we can. Since we do steps yearly, we really don't have or need sponsors. Once you've been through a set of steps, you should be sponsor-free. Why be a burden to some poor guy the rest of his life? Where should your reliance be anyway? In your sponsor? Or in God? Who's responsible for your sobriety? You're sponsor? Or you? I don't understand why some people like to be under somebody elses thumb. So we have a chair picker. They pick the chair person for that next week's meeting. The chair person comes with a topic, reads a bit out of the book, shares his/her recent experience with the step, then calls on others to share... their current experience with the step/topic. We have a 3 minute meditation before we open the topic to the group. When we're done with discussion, we have 30 minutes of crossfire. There, anybody can ask anybody a question about their experience on the topic. We conclude the meeting with the Lord's Prayer. That's all we do. We write 3 column inventories, 5th step it with another drunk, do 6, 7, and 8 and make all our amends, then do 10, 11, and 12. We start on Sept 1st and and are finished with our amends by Thanksgiving. that gives us the other 9 months of the year to do 10, 11, and 12. We don't give a darn about A.A. at the regional, national, or world level. Y'all can drink. We ain't drinkin' no matter what. I got my book and if I see a new drunk I'll pitch him/her if I can.
If the answers are "Yes" and "Yes", and the attitude is contrite and sincere, we'll work with you. Otherwise, we'll send you to one of those more merciful groups. How does that saying go? Let us love you till you kill yourself? A.A. is not sentimental. Why? Because of booze. If you don't care about your sobriety, we can't care. It's a spiritual law. If you do care, we have to care. A.A. works. It works everytime. A.A. is a set of swingset instructions. You attach A to B and B to C etc. You get a swingset. A.A. is to be experienced. Not debated, studied, guided, etc.
Don't believe everything you think. Especially if you're an Anti-A.A.ing A.A. basher.
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| 4 years ago :: Oct 08, 2009 - 9:47AM #32 | |
It seems to me that others deserve to know if I have a first hand understanding of the problem through experience. This becomes important when I'm giving advice or opinions to others which may be followed. So cherubino, I think it is a legitimate question you've asked .....
The sciences of this world are droplets of reality; if then they lead not to reality, what fruit can come of illusion? By the one true God! If learning be not a means of access to Him, the Most Manifest, it is nothing but evident loss. (Baha'i Faith) As to life's problems Einstein said it well - we can't solve a problem using the same consciousness that created it ...
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| 4 years ago :: Nov 26, 2009 - 3:11PM #33 | |
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With mountain man giving out so much advise and simple solutions, I thought it might be a good diea for newcomers to alcoholism to know if the advise was based on experience or general observations, the problem with casual observation is alcoholism is devilishly deceptive...because no-one can see inside the mind of another. Anyway I thought all the same things before sinking into alcoholism.
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| 4 years ago :: Nov 26, 2009 - 3:30PM #34 | |
The steps will demolish the ego to the point that selfish behavior dissipates. An alcoholic ego cannot be healthy and it cannot be changed or adjusted, something happens in human development that it becomes set in stone ( so to speak) ,the alky ego thinks it is God. Researchers think it happens before puberty , but whenever it occurs, its a done deal. An entity within a mind that thinks it is God cannot share power, but because it isn't God it fears the infinite, the result is an alcoholic has a mind that is directed by fear from an unseen source. My ego is quite sentient, insane yes , but capable of observing what I am thinking. The steps taken as a whole, restores alcoholics to sanity , by removing from power the insane ego and provides a way of life that prevents its return.
"what does one actually do to be unselfish?" Selfishness is a state of being, if my state of being is changed then unselfish acts will take on many forms, the recommended AA method is to work with others (guide others thru the steps). Its starts with NOT thinking of my-SELF all the time. |
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hmhmhm??? I just noticed this post! Interesting observation! I don't think 'attack' is the proper analyses here, howbeit, a good defense. In putting the shoe on my foot, and if it was me being asked if I was an alcoholic on a site dealing with alcoholics and alcoholism, as in this case, I don't believe I would see it as a personal attack. Quite the contrary! I see it as others trying to determine how close I could identify with the problem being discussed. That a big part of AA! Identification ...