| 4 years ago :: Dec 12, 2008 - 12:14PM #1 | |
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Sometimes I think we need a new vocabulary here, because the meanings of the words "addiction" and "alcoholism" become awfully vague and open-ended when these are used to categorize behaviors as dissimilar as knitting or stamp collecting with needing to pour a stiff shot of vodka with trembling hands at 6:00 AM to calm one's stomach and nerves. Been there, done that. But it's also an exercise in factual futility to make these terms specifiable and quantifiable, and so generalize from particular cases to a set of norms that apply to everyone. Here's my favorite story about that. A friend of mine is a retired DJ and music reporter from Hartford, CT. One night in the 1970s he and his wife were covering a concert in Boston by the classical pianist, Artur Rubinstein, who was then about 87. To their surprise, Rubinstein's goon picked them out of the crowd of reporters and invited them into his dressing room for a pre-concert interview. As they talked, Rubinstein reached into the cabinet and pulled out a jug of Scotch, from which he poured a large tumbler full to the brim. Then, like a linebacker quaffing Gatorade on the bench, he sucked down the whole thing in one long gulp. He then went out and electrified his audience for the next two hours. Alcohol affects different people in different ways. This video clip is Rubinstein in his last recital in London at the age of 89 with, assuming his routine went as usual, a good 10 or 12 ounces of Scotch under his belt: Now I for one can't drink without becoming desperately ill, and I sure as heck can't play the piano. But I don't begrudge those who can, and I say that when a man can play like that at 89, he can drink anything and as much of it as he wants. Maybe those of us who say there must be one measure for all are just being sorry for ourselves because we can't. I'll be happy to tell you my recovery story, and I'll be glad to listen to yours. But under no circumstances does "I did" necessarily imply that "You should." Yet for some strange reason we alkies seem to have a mental block that prevents us from making that distinction very clearly. Nevertheless, if the shoe fits... |
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| 4 years ago :: Dec 12, 2008 - 7:38PM #2 | |
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I just finished up visiting with a Friend in the fellowship. One of the things we discussed - one-size-fits-all doesn't.
To me, the mental block you referred to isn't so strange. Given my condition, it's to be expected. Part of the effects of self-centered-ness. Of course everyone is like me and needs to do what I do. Now, once the malady is overcome, I can become open to the idea that "God is everything" - that not everyone needs to have my experience. I also no longer require that one-size-fits-all attitude to validate my experience, my connection with this power. At that point (and only then) it became "God as we understood him", rather than God as someone else understands. The former gives me a wonderful way of life. The latter? Well, I didn't drink, but I was awful unhappy. I will also take this opportunity to share that I found this self-centeredness to be extremely subtle. There was one idea in particular that I was unable to see as self-centeredness. However, when I was finally able to see it for what it was, then it was a simple matter to take steps 6 & 7. But not before. I much prefer not being the center-of-all-things. :D
Mike
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| 4 years ago :: Dec 12, 2008 - 7:38PM #3 | |
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I just finished up visiting with a Friend in the fellowship. One of the things we discussed - one-size-fits-all doesn't.
To me, the mental block you referred to isn't so strange. Given my condition, it's to be expected. Part of the effects of self-centered-ness. Of course everyone is like me and needs to do what I do. Now, once the malady is overcome, I can become open to the idea that "God is everything" - that not everyone needs to have my experience. I also no longer require that one-size-fits-all attitude to validate my experience, my connection with this power. At that point (and only then) it became "God as we understood him", rather than God as someone else understands. The former gives me a wonderful way of life. The latter? Well, I didn't drink, but I was awful unhappy. I will also take this opportunity to share that I found this self-centeredness to be extremely subtle. There was one idea in particular that I was unable to see as self-centeredness. However, when I was finally able to see it for what it was, then it was a simple matter to take steps 6 & 7. But not before. I much prefer not being the center-of-all-things. :D
Mike
******************************************************* "When I've learned enough to really live, I'll be old enough to die" - Johnny Cash |
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| 4 years ago :: Dec 15, 2008 - 3:39PM #4 | |
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I have been sober since 08/18/1988 and it was not my choice at the time but it made me feel much better.
I was a very mean drunk an angry drunk. I got sober through AA at a place that looked more like a biker bar then a AA meeting place. It was what I needed at that time. My ex was a biker and one night while drunk I attacked him knocking out his front teeth and giving him a black eye. Thankfully he did not hit back but the next morning he took me to a AA meeting kicking and screaming. He got sober while I continued to drink another couple of years. With a little over 20 years sober I don't miss the drinking and all the drama. I no longer go to AA but would not hesitate to go back. |
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| 4 years ago :: Dec 15, 2008 - 3:39PM #5 | |
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I have been sober since 08/18/1988 and it was not my choice at the time but it made me feel much better.
I was a very mean drunk an angry drunk. I got sober through AA at a place that looked more like a biker bar then a AA meeting place. It was what I needed at that time. My ex was a biker and one night while drunk I attacked him knocking out his front teeth and giving him a black eye. Thankfully he did not hit back but the next morning he took me to a AA meeting kicking and screaming. He got sober while I continued to drink another couple of years. With a little over 20 years sober I don't miss the drinking and all the drama. I no longer go to AA but would not hesitate to go back. |
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| 4 years ago :: Dec 15, 2008 - 7:53PM #6 | |
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Sounds pretty exciting - in a not-fun way!
Welcome to our little corner of b'net, amellcheny
Mike
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| 4 years ago :: Dec 31, 2008 - 3:06PM #7 | |
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It's always refreshing when an old timer in a meeting mentions that there are other ways to get sober than the AA way. It deflates a little of the my-way-or-the-highway dogmatism that often does more to scare newcomers away than anything else in the program.
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| 4 years ago :: Jan 04, 2009 - 1:14AM #8 | |
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[QUOTE=LukeListener;988509]It's always refreshing when an old timer in a meeting mentions that there are other ways to get sober than the AA way. It deflates a little of the my-way-or-the-highway dogmatism that often does more to scare newcomers away than anything else in the program.[/QUOTE]
Thats right but they're not in this book. If all the God talk scares em away the booze will scare em back, if they don't want what we have I hope they go find it soon because AA and the Big Book ain't changing. |
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| 4 years ago :: Jan 04, 2009 - 1:14AM #9 | |
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[QUOTE=LukeListener;988509]It's always refreshing when an old timer in a meeting mentions that there are other ways to get sober than the AA way. It deflates a little of the my-way-or-the-highway dogmatism that often does more to scare newcomers away than anything else in the program.[/QUOTE]
Thats right but they're not in this book. If all the God talk scares em away the booze will scare em back, if they don't want what we have I hope they go find it soon because AA and the Big Book ain't changing. |
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| 4 years ago :: Jan 04, 2009 - 8:27PM #10 | |
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Trudging, AA (The fellowship and the book) have changed, and will probably continue to do so. The program of action HAS remained consistent, but there are no guarantees. Here's a part that I feel can apply to this topic;
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