The idea is to change the thinking, and that's what the 12 steps seem to do to people...

Thanks Cherubino.  I see now that it did work.  It just didn't appear to when I pasted it.  This site really has made some improvements.
Still not sure what I think about Gangsta's anonymous.  Not sure I'd like to run into their hard core 'nazis"!!   But whatever works.  The hard core AA guys were enough for me.  Ha.
Take care.
liking the new thing here alot...and guess what?  it keeps me coming back. 
paradox

Gangsters Anonymous is hip. For any certain group of suffering individuals, it is important that they meet with others who fall into the same bracket. That was the idea behind AA, no? Working with another? The groups I don't really understand are the groups that don't rely on utter abstinence. OA? How does one abstain from eating? SA? How does one abstain from sex? Well, I mean beside virtuous little me, haha.:D

Proser,
This is B-net's way of getting with the times. I'm a member of 2 other boards, and when I got to the old discussion board at Bnet, while I thought the subject matter was interesting, the board features we're cumbersome. After a while though, I actually grew to like it over there. It was basic and to the point. But the growing need to conform with the new "Internet Way" is why they did this. It's an utter fad among the IT world. If anything, over time, you'll be a little more tech savy once you've gone through motions long enough over here.

The only bugging me is Cherub gets an Avatar, and I don't. I still can't get mine to work. But oh well, I'll take that up in my 4th step.

Theres a group in Boston called  Ex-murderers , they aren't listed though.