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4 years ago  ::  Sep 16, 2010 - 2:35PM #1
Guessses
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Today, in my "Mood Management" class at the VA, one Veteran postulated the theory that "If your Spiritual you can't be suicidal"


I disagree but did not have the opportunity to discuss it.


What are your thoughts?


Peace,

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 16, 2010 - 3:34PM #2
nillawafer
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Sep 16, 2010 -- 2:35PM, Guessses wrote:


Today, in my "Mood Management" class at the VA, one Veteran postulated the theory that "If your Spiritual you can't be suicidal"


I disagree but did not have the opportunity to discuss it.


What are your thoughts?


Peace,





Have you ever heard of "The Dark Night of the Soul" by St. John of the Cross? Have you ever heard of the sufferings of many saints? 

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 16, 2010 - 3:35PM #3
nillawafer
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Sep 16, 2010 -- 3:34PM, nillawafer wrote:


Sep 16, 2010 -- 2:35PM, Guessses wrote:


Today, in my "Mood Management" class at the VA, one Veteran postulated the theory that "If your Spiritual you can't be suicidal"


I disagree but did not have the opportunity to discuss it.


What are your thoughts?


Peace,





Have you ever heard of "The Dark Night of the Soul" by St. John of the Cross? Have you ever heard of the sufferings of many saints? 





Oh yeah, and Job!

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 18, 2010 - 12:43AM #4
Guessses
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Sep 16, 2010 -- 3:34PM, nillawafer wrote:


Sep 16, 2010 -- 2:35PM, Guessses wrote:


Today, in my "Mood Management" class at the VA, one Veteran postulated the theory that "If your Spiritual you can't be suicidal"


I disagree but did not have the opportunity to discuss it.


What are your thoughts?


Peace,





Have you ever heard of "The Dark Night of the Soul" by St. John of the Cross? Have you ever heard of the sufferings of many saints? 




No. 

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Mike/NAFOD
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"WWBD? Buddha- Does it matter? If you are enlightened it does not. If you are not enlightened it still doesn't matter."
"If you go looking to place blame, eventually you'll wind up blaming the Gods"
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4 years ago  ::  Sep 18, 2010 - 12:44AM #5
Guessses
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Sep 16, 2010 -- 3:35PM, nillawafer wrote:


Sep 16, 2010 -- 3:34PM, nillawafer wrote:


Sep 16, 2010 -- 2:35PM, Guessses wrote:


Today, in my "Mood Management" class at the VA, one Veteran postulated the theory that "If your Spiritual you can't be suicidal"


I disagree but did not have the opportunity to discuss it.


What are your thoughts?


Peace,





Have you ever heard of "The Dark Night of the Soul" by St. John of the Cross? Have you ever heard of the sufferings of many saints? 





Oh yeah, and Job!




I do know the story of Job but I never got that he was suicidal.


P.S. While it is true I am for some reason depressed, I'm not so sure I believe in suffering...

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 29, 2010 - 4:53AM #6
nnn123
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It is my understanding that all the major religions of the world oppose suicide.


At the same time, my reading of the lives of the all the great saints is that many of them were driven to suicidal thoughts.


So, while all the religions oppose suicide, they certainly acknowledge the great sufferings that exist in life.


I think broad statements like "you can't be spiritual if you are suicidal" are blurbs that do not cover anything more than can be covered in a blurb.  Shakespeare was suicidal.  So was Abraham Lincoln.  Both were extremely spiritual people.


But I do think it is a spiritual duty to try and fight off suicidal thoughts.


My uncle killed himself in the 80's.  It was horrible.


When depression gets very bad, in order to repel it, I think of various things:


- I think how horrible my friends and relatives will feel...and for years, if I kill myself.


- I think of my religious duty not to do it


- I think that a negative state of mind is the worst state of mind in which to make any decision.  That moods are like waves, they come and go...and that all I have to do is wait and the mood will pass.


 


 


 


 


 

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 29, 2010 - 8:07AM #7
Mysty101
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Hi,


Depression and anxiety are so common today.  I think our stressful over fast-paced lives and poor diets are large contributers.


Behavioral management can help manage our lives, and many new medicines help manage the imbalance in brain chemicals.  My son, and a very close friend were both healed of serious suidal depression and anxiety by medication.


I was diagnosed as mildly suicidal (if I had succeeded would I only be mildly dead???), after I was  robbbed at gunpoint in my house, and improved greatly with positive thinking and prayer.  I have some simple exercises, if any one would care for me to post.


SuZ

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 29, 2010 - 8:10AM #8
Guessses
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Thanks for your contributions!


Peace,

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Mike/NAFOD
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