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10 years ago  ::  Oct 27, 2007 - 4:03PM #1
SISTERMIMI
Posts: 205
I thought since we are a family, I would share this email that was sent to me.  I sent it to some of you that i could forward it to, but, i think it should be read.  IT HURTS ME TO THE BONES TO SEE THIS KIND OF THING DONE!!!!  I am not trying to be political by any means, but---just read and you ask yourself the same.

FYI, I did great at the Fest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HAPPY VOODOO TO YOU--BOO!!!!!!!!!!

THE EMAIL:

This was sent to me and it should cause anger and frustration.  Why is the phrase, "so help us God" become such a problem?  Even our most inspiring Americans are being quieted posthumously.  The separation of church and state sometimes becomes just too absurd.
   
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SHALL WE HIRE A MONUMENT ENGRAVER TO GO TO ARLINGTON NATIONAL CEMETERY AND ADD THE MISSING WORDS ?

A MESSAGE FROM AN APPALLED OBSERVER:

Today I went to visit the new World War II Memorial in Washington , DC I got an unexpected history lesson Because I'm a baby boomer, I was one of the youngest in the crowd. Most were the age of my parents, Veterans of "the greatest war," with their families. It was a beautiful day, and people were smiling and happy to be there Hundreds of us milled around the memorial, reading the inspiring words of
Eisenhower and Truman that are engraved there.

On the Pacific side of the memorial, a group of us gathered to read the words President Roosevelt used to announce the attack on Pearl Harbor:

"Yesterday, December 7,
1941-- a date which will live in infamy--the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked".

One elderly woman read the words aloud:

"With confidence in our armed forces, with the abounding determination of our people, we will gain the inevitable triumph."

But as she read, she was suddenly turned angry. "Wait a minute," she said, "they left out the end of the quote.. They left out the most important part. Roosevelt ended the message with "so help us God."

Her husband said, "You are probably right. We're not supposed to say things like that now."

"I know I'm right," she insisted. "I remember the speech." The two looked dismayed, shook their heads sadly and walked away.

Listening to their conversation, I thought to myself,Well, it has been over 50 years she's probably forgotten."

But she had not forgotten. She was right.

I went home and pulled out
the book my book club is reading --- "Flags of Our Fathers" by James Bradley It's all about the battle at Iwo Jima .
I haven't gotten too far in the book. It's tough to read because it's a graphic description of the WWII battles in the Pacific.

But right there it was on page 58. Roosevelt's speech to the nation ends in "so help us God."

The people who edited out that part of the speech when they engraved it on the memorial could have fooled me. I was born after the war.! But they couldn't fool the people who were there. Roosevelt's words are engraved on their hearts.

Now I ask: "WHO GAVE THEM THE RIGHT TO CHANGE THE WORDS OF HISTORY?????????"

People today are trying to change the history of America by leaving God out of it, but the truth is, God has been a part of this nation, since the beginning.
JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT---AND HAVE A NICE DAY!!!!


thanks for reading this-----------Eve
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10 years ago  ::  Oct 27, 2007 - 4:03PM #2
SISTERMIMI
Posts: 205
I thought since we are a family, I would share this email that was sent to me.  I sent it to some of you that i could forward it to, but, i think it should be read.  IT HURTS ME TO THE BONES TO SEE THIS KIND OF THING DONE!!!!  I am not trying to be political by any means, but---just read and you ask yourself the same.

FYI, I did great at the Fest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HAPPY VOODOO TO YOU--BOO!!!!!!!!!!

THE EMAIL:

This was sent to me and it should cause anger and frustration.  Why is the phrase, "so help us God" become such a problem?  Even our most inspiring Americans are being quieted posthumously.  The separation of church and state sometimes becomes just too absurd.
   
   ************************************************************************************************
   
   
SHALL WE HIRE A MONUMENT ENGRAVER TO GO TO ARLINGTON NATIONAL CEMETERY AND ADD THE MISSING WORDS ?

A MESSAGE FROM AN APPALLED OBSERVER:

Today I went to visit the new World War II Memorial in Washington , DC I got an unexpected history lesson Because I'm a baby boomer, I was one of the youngest in the crowd. Most were the age of my parents, Veterans of "the greatest war," with their families. It was a beautiful day, and people were smiling and happy to be there Hundreds of us milled around the memorial, reading the inspiring words of
Eisenhower and Truman that are engraved there.

On the Pacific side of the memorial, a group of us gathered to read the words President Roosevelt used to announce the attack on Pearl Harbor:

"Yesterday, December 7,
1941-- a date which will live in infamy--the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked".

One elderly woman read the words aloud:

"With confidence in our armed forces, with the abounding determination of our people, we will gain the inevitable triumph."

But as she read, she was suddenly turned angry. "Wait a minute," she said, "they left out the end of the quote.. They left out the most important part. Roosevelt ended the message with "so help us God."

Her husband said, "You are probably right. We're not supposed to say things like that now."

"I know I'm right," she insisted. "I remember the speech." The two looked dismayed, shook their heads sadly and walked away.

Listening to their conversation, I thought to myself,Well, it has been over 50 years she's probably forgotten."

But she had not forgotten. She was right.

I went home and pulled out
the book my book club is reading --- "Flags of Our Fathers" by James Bradley It's all about the battle at Iwo Jima .
I haven't gotten too far in the book. It's tough to read because it's a graphic description of the WWII battles in the Pacific.

But right there it was on page 58. Roosevelt's speech to the nation ends in "so help us God."

The people who edited out that part of the speech when they engraved it on the memorial could have fooled me. I was born after the war.! But they couldn't fool the people who were there. Roosevelt's words are engraved on their hearts.

Now I ask: "WHO GAVE THEM THE RIGHT TO CHANGE THE WORDS OF HISTORY?????????"

People today are trying to change the history of America by leaving God out of it, but the truth is, God has been a part of this nation, since the beginning.
JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT---AND HAVE A NICE DAY!!!!


thanks for reading this-----------Eve
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10 years ago  ::  Oct 29, 2007 - 2:19PM #3
karbie
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Dear Eve,
During the years I home-schooled Chris because of his health problems, we got our curriculum from Calvert. They haven't "dumbed down" their requirements--they are the same they were 80 years ago, because it is also a day school I certainly couldn't have afforded.
  But theirs made sense because it INCLUDED the impact that various religions and beliefs made. I learned things myself--they included Daniel, Jesus, Mohammed--and none of them were presented as right or wrong, just for the impacts they made. I had always thought that the Old Testament "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" were part of Judaism, but it turns out to be from the Code of Hammurabi--the first codified book of laws that included what the punishment was for breaking them. They  were applied differently if you were wealthy, of course--some things don't change much. The Post Office motto dates back to the Persian King Darius --since my father, grandfather, and as it turns out, grest-great-great grandfather all worked for the  Post Office. (Which gives me a right to "go postal" because it's from both sides of my family!)
  My son still keeps the history book that starts with discovering fire up to the discovery of the New World. The lessons for history and for art & architecture were all following the same time-line instead of teaching to those stupid, stupid tests. It doesn't matter if the kids actually learned anything as long as they remember it long enough for the tests.
I agree the quote should have been complete--the History Channel shows the whole speech. The men and women who fought in that war carried those words with them overseas. My father graduated from high school early to become a paratrouper; my father-in-law was anti-aircraft. (And as it turned out, my father's service doesn't count because some of it was after the war "officially" ended--cleaning out the SS in the mountains didn't exist.)
  There is supposed to be a separation of church and state--yeah, right. While we don't have an official national religion, the politicians apparently can't get that through their pointy little heads. But not including it on that memorial was WRONG, if only for  the revisionist history it represents. "Political correctness" can get pretty idiotic. Maybe a later generation will see through the garbage and finish the quote.
"You are letting your opinion be colored by facts again."
'When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."
these are both from my father.
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10 years ago  ::  Nov 01, 2007 - 9:59AM #4
SISTERMIMI
Posts: 205
We can only hope and pray that things will change.  Right now the SCHIP is my pet peave.  Does Bush not get it or does he just not care?  He is such a bafoon and watchting him makes me physically ill.
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10 years ago  ::  Nov 02, 2007 - 2:26AM #5
proserpina
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Yeah, it is wrong to exclude that part of the quote!I am definitely for separation of church and state, but those words if said by Eisenhower--were said-period!
It's stupid to take them out *now*.
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10 years ago  ::  Nov 02, 2007 - 7:15AM #6
sepete
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Eve,
Thanks for posting that.  It is unbelievable what a very few people in this county can do.  Why is it that the majority of the people of this country who beleive in God do not speak as loudly as those who don't?  Whether we be Jewish, Muslim, Christian, Jahova's Witness, Mormen, or any other religion that believes in God, why do we not speak out loud an clear on these issues.  In this instance, we are not asking something to be added that was not part of the original address, just a proper quote.
I think we've been quiet too long.
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10 years ago  ::  Nov 02, 2007 - 7:16AM #7
sepete
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[QUOTE=sepete;39863]Eve,
Thanks for posting that.  It is unbelievable what a very few people in this county can do.  Why is it that the majority of the people of this country who beleive in God do not speak as loudly as those who don't?  Whether we be Jewish, Muslim, Christian, Jahova's Witness, Mormen, or any other religion that believes in God, why do we not speak out loud an clear on these issues.  In this instance, we are not asking something to be added that was not part of the original address, just a proper quote.
I think we've been quiet too long.
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8 years ago  ::  Oct 09, 2009 - 2:05PM #8
Daved123
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Sorry folks, but this is an internet myth, a hoax, circulating since at least 2004.  It's taken in a lot of good people, but it's a fiction based on a poor recollection instead of fact.   


You can check Snopes or Urban Legend fact check sites, or if you'd prefer, just look to pearlharbor.org (or the National Archives web site, etc.) to find the exact text, which shows that the WWII Memorial engraved quote is exactly correct, and that the words 'so help us God' appear not in the qoted sentence but later in the speech, to wit:


"But always will our whole nation remember the character of the onslaught against us.


No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people in their righteous might, will win through to absolute victory.


I believe that I interpret the will of the Congress and of the People when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost, but will make it very certain that this form of treachery shall never again endanger us.


Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that our people, our territory, and our interests are in grave danger.


With confidence in our armed forces - with the unbounding determination of our People - we will gain the inevitable triumph - so help us God."

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8 years ago  ::  Oct 09, 2009 - 2:05PM #9
Daved123
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In fact, here's the response from the American Battle Manuments Commission to an inquiry from Elizabeth Dole on behalf of one of her misinofrmed constiuents in January 2006:


"This letter responds to your inquiry on behalf of your constituent <> who expressed concern regarding editing of FDR's "Day of Infamy speech on the National World War II Memorial.


As is so often the case in reports that become widespread, criticism of editing FDR's famous speech on the memorial is unfounded.


The line in the speech that some claim was edited - "With confidence in our anned
forces, with the unbounded determination of our people, we will gain the inevitable
triumph, so help us God" - is not inscribed on the memorial.


The sentence that is inscribed - "No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion,the American people, in their righteous might, will win through to absolute victory" appears earlier in FDR's speech and is used in its entirety.


The entire speech contains more than 450 words. Because of proper letter sizing
and inscription area, we had to manage between 35 and 40 words in total to achieve both the aesthetic effect and evocation desired. The inscribed sentence was selected because its phrasing ("No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion...") directly relates to the rest ofthe carved inscription, which commemorates the attack on Pearl Harbor. The complete inscription in the memorial reads as follows:


PEARL HARBOR
DECEMBER 7,1941, A DATE WHICH WILL LIVE IN INFAMY ... NO MATTER
HOW LONG IT MAY TAKE US TO OVERCOME THIS PREMEDITATED INVASION,
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, IN THEIR RIGHTEOUS MIGHT,
WILL WIN THROUGH TO ABSOLUTE VICTORY 

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8 years ago  ::  Oct 16, 2009 - 9:27PM #10
karbie
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Dear Dave,


 I want to thank you for all the research you did to clear up a myth that was getting so many people upset.We are all fortunate that you are here at beliefnet.

"You are letting your opinion be colored by facts again."
'When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."
these are both from my father.
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