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2 years ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 8:47AM #1
withwonderingawe
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A step in the right direction; 

“Joel Osteen, the popular megachurch pastor from Houston, appeared Tuesday afternoon on CNN's "The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer" and said that he considers both presumed GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney, a Mormon, and President Obama to be Christians.


Osteen, when asked about Romney's faith, said the former Massachusetts governor is indeed a Christian – which is a similar statement to the one he made in January.


"When I hear Mitt Romney say that he believes that Jesus is the Son of God – that he's the Christ, raised from the dead, that he's his Savior – that's good enough for me," said Osteen.”


www.christianpost.com/news/joel-osteen-m...

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2 years ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 11:07AM #2
Joe68
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Mormons claim to be Christians even though the teachings of the Mormon Church regarding Jesus Christ clearly show that the Mormon ‘Jesus’ is radically different than the Biblical Jesus.


Simply believing in someone named Jesus will not solve the issue for Mormons because — as the apostle Paul warns in 2 Corinthians 11:4 — there are some who preach a different Jesus.


Even LDS leaders agree that the Mormon Jesus is a different Jesus than the Jesus that Christians worship:



Because Mormonism denies the biblical truth of:


1) who God is,


2) who Jesus is,


3) how forgiveness of sins is attained, and


4) what the gospel is,


the Mormon is not Christian -- in spite of all his claims that he is Christian.


A Christian is someone who follows Jesus Christ as presented in the Bible -- not a 'Jesus' redesigned, repackaged and marketed by the Mormon Church. Hence when Mormons claim to be Christians, they misrepresent both the Jesus of the Bible and their own faith.

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2 years ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 12:28PM #3
Ironhold
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May 1, 2012 -- 11:07AM, Joe68 wrote:


Mormons claim to be Christians even though the teachings of the Mormon Church regarding Jesus Christ clearly show that the Mormon ‘Jesus’ is radically different than the Biblical Jesus.




Correction: our "Jesus" is radically different from the mainstream interpretation of Biblical Jesus.


There's a difference.

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2 years ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 12:47PM #4
Joe68
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May 1, 2012 -- 12:28PM, Ironhold wrote:


May 1, 2012 -- 11:07AM, Joe68 wrote:


Mormons claim to be Christians even though the teachings of the Mormon Church regarding Jesus Christ clearly show that the Mormon ‘Jesus’ is radically different than the Biblical Jesus.




Correction: our "Jesus" is radically different from the mainstream interpretation of Biblical Jesus.


There's a difference.



No matter how you define it the Mormon Jesus is radically different than the Jesus that Christians worship.


Mormons: Different God, different Jesus, different gospel, different scriptures than Christians means it is a different religion than Christianity.

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2 years ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 12:52PM #5
Ironhold
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May 1, 2012 -- 12:47PM, Joe68 wrote:


No matter how you define it the Mormon Jesus is radically different than the Jesus that Christians worship.




...which you still haven't proven is the Jesus of the Bible.


You've merely been making presumptions.


Mormons: Different God, different Jesus, different gospel, different scriptures than Christians means it is a different religion than Christianity.



...and if you guys don't get with the picture, we're gonna go and leave you in the dust.

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2 years ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 1:05PM #6
Joe68
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May 1, 2012 -- 12:52PM, Ironhold wrote:


May 1, 2012 -- 12:47PM, Joe68 wrote:


No matter how you define it the Mormon Jesus is radically different than the Jesus that Christians worship.




...which you still haven't proven is the Jesus of the Bible.


You've merely been making presumptions.


Mormons: Different God, different Jesus, different gospel, different scriptures than Christians means it is a different religion than Christianity.



...and if you guys don't get with the picture, we're gonna go and leave you in the dust.





What must be done first is for there to be an acknowledgment that what the LDS teach and believe about Jesus is radically different than what Christian do.


Secondly, it would be difficult for a Mormon to support their view of Jesus Biblically since they state that they "believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly" yet have no reservations about their other scriptures. Which means that they have other works that trrump or embellish the bible.

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2 years ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 5:10PM #7
Ironhold
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May 1, 2012 -- 1:05PM, Joe68 wrote:


What must be done first is for there to be an acknowledgment that what the LDS teach and believe about Jesus is radically different than what Christian do.




You still haven't established that the interpretation you hold to is the one that's the most sound.

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2 years ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 6:05PM #8
Joe68
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May 1, 2012 -- 5:10PM, Ironhold wrote:


May 1, 2012 -- 1:05PM, Joe68 wrote:


What must be done first is for there to be an acknowledgment that what the LDS teach and believe about Jesus is radically different than what Christian do.




You still haven't established that the interpretation you hold to is the one that's the most sound.




It is not my intent in this thread to show that the Christian, Biblical view of Jesus has a better foundation than the Mormon view. Nor is that the intent of the OP.


The OP seems to suggest that if one believes in “Jesus” then they are a Christian. However that is problematic since the apostle Paul warns in 2 Corinthians 11:4there are some who preach a different Jesus. Just as the Bible also warns of a different gospel and different god(s) [i.e. false god or gods] A discussion on whose view is better supported from the Bible warrants its own thread.  


But as I'm sure you are fully aware of the fact that there was a discussion on whose view of the gospel is better supported from the Bible but the Mormons (including yourself, Ironhold) left that discussion without addressing the verses put forth. See here.


See post 31 for the passages not addressed by the LDS.


So why would I start another discussion on this when you have failed to even keep up with one on a similar topic? If you are so confident that the LDS view is correct then go back to the discussion that you left more than a month ago and address the questions and verses posed to you.




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2 years ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 7:08PM #9
withwonderingawe
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Ya know this whole form is suppose to be polite and you asking us what we believe. It's not suppose to be you telling us we're not Christians. 

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2 years ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 8:29PM #10
Joe68
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May 1, 2012 -- 7:08PM, withwonderingawe wrote:


Ya know this whole form is suppose to be polite and you asking us what we believe. It's not suppose to be you telling us we're not Christians. 




Most of the forums in the “Visitor Centers” section of Beliefnet have descriptions and most of them go something like “For questions about X religion, to discuss X theology and to promote the X faith". The Mormon "Visitor Center" has no description at all.


I’ve asked questions about the LDS faith and discussed the LDS faith. Both of which are well within that general description.


But am I to believe that this forum is for those of the LDS faith to have an unchallengeable soapbox to say whatever they want?  If a Mormon makes a historical, factual, or logical error is that error supposed to just to stand unopposed?  If a Mormon misrepresents their own faith or that of another then those misrepresentations are supposed to just stand unopposed?  


You should realize that when anyone who believes that God one of many gods, that god was once a man, that they can become a god themselves, that Jesus does not save one completely by faith, and then they say that thier faith is Christian or that they are Christians they are misrepresenting the historical Biblical Christian faith.  


You seem to think this forum is more like a personal blog where Mormons can say what they want and moderate any comments themselves or not have any opposing comment. But I don’t think that the purpose of this forum is for any Mormon to give a false or misleading representation of the Christian faith.


If you want to promote the Mormon religion feel free. But if you make a historical, factual, or logical error or misrepresent the Christian faith I most likely will feel compelled to respond.




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