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4 years ago  ::  Mar 18, 2011 - 1:16AM #1
Shadow_Seeker
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Hey everyone!

One day this issue just popped into my mind, if we have free will to choose whether we accept Jesus as Savior, or not, why would God punish someone for their choice of not accepting? If we have truly been given "free will" why would we be punished for our choice? So, if I decided not to accept Jesus as Savior, how could I be punished for using my free will?

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 18, 2011 - 4:04PM #2
tawonda
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Hello!


You should be aware that not all Christians believe that faith in Christ is a matter of our "making a decision."


I'm a Lutheran Christian. We believe that, because of humanity's inherent brokenness -- our inherent self-centeredness and alienation from God -- we can't "make a decision for Jesus" on our own simply because it's not in our nature to do so; our human nature is to fear and resent God and God's claims on us. We believe that it is God's Holy Spirit that creates saving faith in us.


How that happens differs from individual to individual, and we don't spend a lot of time second-guessing who is on or off the "God bus." We know that WE have been, through our baptisms, forgiven, freed and called to be a part of God's family; and we take it from there. We also know from Scripture that God loves us, desires that everyone should have a living, healthy relationship with God and will do anything -- in fact, in Christ HAS done that -- in order to make that happen.


I'll also add that salvation isn't just a kind of "get out of jail free" card. It's not just something that happens in the future but that happens now: "I was saved; I'm being saved; I will be saved." I think that point gets lost by popular, unthoughtful Christianity. And I think it's important to think of salvation as a process to get away from some of the stereotypical "turn or burn" rhetoric so common in certain Christian schools of thought.


 

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 18, 2011 - 4:13PM #3
Markezuma
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In the LDS tradition the "punishment" if you can even call it that is separation from God. The people who dedicate themselve to getting close to God are rewarded for their efforts. By the same token a person who seeks to get away from God get their "reward" too. So a person who chooses to follow Christ is more likely to end up with Christ where a person who chooses to follow someone or something else "earns" distance from Christ in the afterlife.

"Better a live sparrow than a stuffed eagle" -E. Fitzgerald
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4 years ago  ::  Mar 18, 2011 - 11:50PM #4
birwin4
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It is a point that by giving  human beings  free will God risked everything because he did not want to create automatons. Then, for those, given the ability to choose to obey God , who decided to go their own way  they can hardly, in all fairness, put their choice back as guilt upon God.


 If I make a tin soldier and then give him life and free choice, surely it is his problem if he freely chooses to go the wrong way and hurt himself. I may warn him to be careful not to go into a fire because the fire will destroy him. If he still chooses to go into that fire and melts into oblivion, it is not my fault he did not listen to good advice.

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 21, 2011 - 6:46PM #5
Bob_Bennett
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Mar 18, 2011 -- 1:16AM, Shadow_Seeker wrote:

Hey everyone!

One day this issue just popped into my mind, if we have free will to choose whether we accept Jesus as Savior, or not, why would God punish someone for their choice of not accepting? If we have truly been given "free will" why would we be punished for our choice? So, if I decided not to accept Jesus as Savior, how could I be punished for using my free will?




Hi,


Coming friom the point of view of reincarnation, God does not judge nor punish anyone.  We all go to heaven in due time, when we get our act together, by freely choosing to do so.



See John 5:22    "The father himself judges no one ..............but has assigned all judgment to the Son"  (which is each of us).


 


 


(edited to correct code-B_D)

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 23, 2011 - 11:57AM #6
No_Chance_Without_Jesus
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Mar 18, 2011 -- 1:16AM, Shadow_Seeker wrote:

Hey everyone!

One day this issue just popped into my mind, if we have free will to choose whether we accept Jesus as Savior, or not, why would God punish someone for their choice of not accepting? If we have truly been given "free will" why would we be punished for our choice? So, if I decided not to accept Jesus as Savior, how could I be punished for using my free will?

Thank you to all that help 


Why would nature punish someone for walking off a cliff?


Free Will....Choice....comes with an accountability.


God is reaching out His hands to save us, if we slap that hand away, we are accountable for our own actions...

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 23, 2011 - 12:01PM #7
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4 years ago  ::  Mar 29, 2011 - 11:30AM #8
Nonchristianheaven
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Freewill should be the ability to choose any Savior .


Freewill should be the ability to not choose any Savior.


Free will is just free.


There are no strings attached.


The idea G-d punishes us for free thought...


Is to keep us from thinking freely.


It I think is just a fear tactic


To keep us from thinking outside the box


From learning about other religions


From talking others who are different


A way to make ourselves feel we are special


We are born with an empty brain


It is up to us to fill it, or not.


 

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3 years ago  ::  Aug 22, 2011 - 3:21AM #9
Sync
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It seems to me that if the Christian god exists, he must be pretty darn fantastic.   In fact clearly so fantastic as to be what fantastic essentially means-- unbelievable.   I mean, just what could be any more unbelievable?

Yet many Christians claim that you are punished for finding their god to be something that by his very nature he must be, unbelievable. 

And a belief is not something you just decide.  I cannot choose to believe the moon is made of green cheese.   Neither can I choose to believe the Christian god is a reality.  I find both ideas simply incredible.

Beyond that, I also get the sense that many Christians seem to hold an idea of a god who is unable to see or value the goodness that exists in many non-christians.  If I can, why can't he?

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