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3 years ago  ::  Oct 23, 2010 - 8:16PM #1
JoeNYC
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What is the LDS understanding of 1 Corinthians 15?


I'd really like to know what the LDS teach about this chapter.


A verse by verse explaination would be awesome.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 23, 2010 - 10:15PM #2
Ironhold
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You ain't gonna like this, but here's a primer.


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3 years ago  ::  Oct 24, 2010 - 4:24PM #3
JoeNYC
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My expectations of a coherent exposition of the 1 Cor 15 wasn't that high but those links were almost non-existent of any info.



Link 1: Salvation for the Dead



1 Cor. 15: 19 if in this life only we have hope in Christ.


1 Cor. 15: 29 why are they then baptized for the dead.



Link 2:



Baptism for the Dead


1 Cor. 15: 29 what shall they do which are baptized for the dead.



Link 3:



Temple Work and Family History


1 Corinthians 15:29(work for the dead)


So, out of the 58 verses you reference 2 verses. And both have something to do with either salvation for the dead or baptism for the dead. So you are saying that is what Paul was teaching about in 1 Cor 15?



What I find really surprizing is that earlier you wrote how you use a "multi-pronged approach" in interpreting the Bible. 


You said you utilized LDS scripture footnotes providing notes, details, and cross-references. You look into history and comparitive theology as well.


This allows you "the ability to analyze what is being said and what has occurred in light of what was going on when it happened." And "this provides a valuable piece of context...which in turn gives me better insight to the nuances of the Bible and the effects of what is actually recorded"


But none of that is here.



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3 years ago  ::  Oct 24, 2010 - 7:39PM #4
Ironhold
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Did I, or did I not, explicitly state that I was merely giving you a primer?


I posted that as something quick to get you a little bit of background information before we started on something more serious.


You see, Hugh Nibley did an academic paper on the practice of baptism for the dead in the NT times. I've read it, and found that - after doing some homework of my own - it satisfies a large number of the arguments made by critics.


But if I can't get you to sit through a few short pages, how can I trust you to actually read something like this?

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 24, 2010 - 8:40PM #5
JoeNYC
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Oct 24, 2010 -- 7:39PM, Ironhold wrote:


Did I, or did I not, explicitly state that I was merely giving you a primer?


I posted that as something quick to get you a little bit of background information before we started on something more serious.


You see, Hugh Nibley did an academic paper on the practice of baptism for the dead in the NT times. I've read it, and found that - after doing some homework of my own - it satisfies a large number of the arguments made by critics.


But if I can't get you to sit through a few short pages, how can I trust you to actually read something like this?





I didn't ask you about what Hugh Nibley thought about the practice of baptism for the dead in the NT times.


I asked for an LDS interpretation of 1 Cor 15.


Let say Nibley is correct.


What does that have to do with 1 Cor 15?


Nothing.


To examine 1 Cor 15 you have to deal with the text.


But that does not seem as it will happen.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 24, 2010 - 9:32PM #6
Ironhold
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Oct 24, 2010 -- 8:40PM, JoeNYC wrote:


Oct 24, 2010 -- 7:39PM, Ironhold wrote:


Did I, or did I not, explicitly state that I was merely giving you a primer?


I posted that as something quick to get you a little bit of background information before we started on something more serious.


You see, Hugh Nibley did an academic paper on the practice of baptism for the dead in the NT times. I've read it, and found that - after doing some homework of my own - it satisfies a large number of the arguments made by critics.


But if I can't get you to sit through a few short pages, how can I trust you to actually read something like this?





I didn't ask you about what Hugh Nibley thought about the practice of baptism for the dead in the NT times.


I asked for an LDS interpretation of 1 Cor 15.


Let say Nibley is correct.


What does that have to do with 1 Cor 15?


Nothing.


To examine 1 Cor 15 you have to deal with the text.


But that does not seem as it will happen.





You'd know how it related if you read the link.


Again, as I noted earlier - I don't just look at the words on the page but rather take the whole of history into account when considering something.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 24, 2010 - 11:28PM #7
JoeNYC
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I read the article. Except for 1 Cor 15:29 he does not speak on 1 Cor 15.


So it is not an exposition of 1 Cor 15. It is simply a article on baptism for the dead.


But is that what Paul was teaching in 1 Cor 15?


At this point we don’t know since we’re still waiting for an LDS exposition of this chapter.


 


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3 years ago  ::  Oct 25, 2010 - 8:56AM #8
Ironhold
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Oct 24, 2010 -- 11:28PM, JoeNYC wrote:



I read the article. Except for 1 Cor 15:29 he does not speak on 1 Cor 15.


So it is not an exposition of 1 Cor 15. It is simply a article on baptism for the dead.


But is that what Paul was teaching in 1 Cor 15?


At this point we don’t know since we’re still waiting for an LDS exposition of this chapter.






Who "we?"


No chapter-by-chapter, verse-by-verse guide exists within the church.


Key points are raised and taught, and it's on the membership to study the rest out for themselves.


We're not like so many mainliners I've seen who just sit in the pews and wait for their minister to spoon-feed everything to them.


Do you have any idea how many mainliners I've dealt with who've not even read the Bible cover-to-cover yet insist upon lecturing from it?


For someone like me, who's worn out one set of scriptures from constant study and is on his way to wearing out another, it's nothing short of insulting.


If all you do in life is wait for answers, how do you expect to ever get any?

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 25, 2010 - 10:52AM #9
JoeNYC
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The point of this thread was to see how a LDS member interpreted the scriptures. I wanted to see how you - or any other LDS - handled the exposition of scripture. I want to see not only what you believed was taught in this chapter as well as how you came to that conclusion.




 




You said you had a method. I wanted to see that method in action. You’ve said that you’ve “worn out one set of scriptures from constant study and [are on your] way to wearing out another”, so what is the difficultly of showing what you studied on 1 Cor 15? I’m sure that you’ve studied this chapter before during your constant study, just copy and paste your exposition of 1 Cor 15 here.



I have already done an exposition of 1 Cor 15.



The answer I can’t get is one I can’t provide for myself: The LDS view of 1 Cor 15 and how they came to that conclusion.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 25, 2010 - 11:12AM #10
withwonderingawe
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I'm sorry, been busy with the new baby and other things. I'll try to get back to you soon.

Wise men still seek him.
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