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4 years ago  ::  Nov 20, 2009 - 5:35PM #1
Idenitycrisis
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How does a Noahide relate to the Jewish people? Is it improper to take a "Jewish symbol" as an identity marker? (I don't know of any Noahide symbols.) Curious because I took what looks like a multi-color mennora from the "Jewish avatars". I know it's "Sabbath", so I may not get an "official answer" till Sunday. Thanks. Shabbat Shaloam.

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 21, 2009 - 7:03PM #2
ffb
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I'm not sure what you mean by "relate" to. A noachide is following god's laws to which he is bound, the same way that a jew (gesundheit) is following the laws given to him.  To take a symbol found within judaism and use it as an avatar for a noachide is a bit confusing, but only offensive if the non-jew's actions seem to go contrary to the torah so the use of the identifier could be misconstrued, and the outside observer might think that the person is actually jewish and is condoning contrary behavior.

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 22, 2009 - 11:23AM #3
Idenitycrisis
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Point taken, thanks for you're insight.Embarassed

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 22, 2009 - 11:59AM #4
Idenitycrisis
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Heres more, sorry to be a pain. I am of Irish-Scottish descent, as a Noachian it seems I would still take pride in my heritage. Would I share the Jewish view that Sabbath is looked to as a special time of spiritual reflection? Or, besides the seven laws would I continue in the traditions of my own culture? Thanks again.

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 22, 2009 - 1:08PM #5
Pam34
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At best, the traditions of anyone's 'own culture' should be in accordance with the noachide laws, whether they realize that or not. All humans (Jews and non-Jews) are subject to those particular basic societal rules - don't murder, don't steal, establish courts of justice, etc. (some might quibble about the 'no idolatry' part, and maybe the 'be kind to animals' one perhaps. But if you define 'idolatry' as 'that created item which comes between you and your conception of divinity' then there's less of an issue).


 


 

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 22, 2009 - 1:51PM #6
Idenitycrisis
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Thanks, I need all the help I can get (advice wise) in my "new spiritual path". That was very kind, sage advice. Double thanks.

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 22, 2009 - 2:07PM #7
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Nov 22, 2009 -- 11:59AM, Idenitycrisis wrote:


Heres more, sorry to be a pain. I am of Irish-Scottish descent, as a Noachian it seems I would still take pride in my heritage. Would I share the Jewish view that Sabbath is looked to as a special time of spiritual reflection? Or, besides the seven laws would I continue in the traditions of my own culture? Thanks again.





the sabbath is not one of the 7 noachide laws and is, textually, delineated as a time for jews to celebrate. Even a convert, before his conversion is complete, is required to break the sabbath so that he doesn't "observe" it as a jew until he is one. However, EVERY day should be used for spiritual reflection. The sabbath isn't a special time for that.

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3 years ago  ::  Dec 09, 2009 - 12:42PM #8
nieciedo
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This underscores the point of how "Noachide" is not and was never intended to be a religious label or identity or community. It has no symbols, no rituals, no holidays, only a few very general (mostly prescriptive) rules.

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 19, 2010 - 12:00PM #9
river8101
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Identity Crisis.


Why are you asking all these questions of Noahides, when in December you were still defending the blood issue (the issue that blood should not be given even to save the life of a child) and also the religion of Jehovah Witnesses, which is probably the only religion that preaches such things. 


On several occasion you claimed you were a believing witness of JW, when at the same time on the Jewish forum  you were asking question about joining up with Judaism and/or the Noahide religions.  You posted with us for about 2 or 3 months, then suddenly left without not so much as a goodbye.  At the same time you were posting with us, you were posting with JW.  No 2 religions could be further apart.  Just wondering. 

“Faith is deciding to allow yourself to believe something your intellect would otherwise cause you to reject.”
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