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6 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2008 - 11:11PM #1
Zorgblar
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If a JW had an OBE by accident how would they view it?What would there chruch tell them to think and do about it?
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6 years ago  ::  Jun 11, 2008 - 12:38AM #2
anotherpaul
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[QUOTE=Zorgblar;555721]If a JW had an OBE by accident how would they view it?What would there chruch tell them to think and do about it?[/QUOTE]

What is an OBE?
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6 years ago  ::  Jun 11, 2008 - 12:56AM #3
Zorgblar
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[QUOTE=anotherpaul;555840]What is an OBE?[/QUOTE]


Look at the header on my first post.Thaty will give you your answer.
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6 years ago  ::  Jun 11, 2008 - 9:00AM #4
Zorgblar
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[QUOTE=anotherpaul;555840]What is an OBE?[/QUOTE]


Go to www.gotquestions.org and type in out of body experiences and you will have your answer.
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6 years ago  ::  Jun 11, 2008 - 9:00AM #5
Zorgblar
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[QUOTE=anotherpaul;555840]What is an OBE?[/QUOTE]


Go to www.gotquestions.org and type in out of body experiences and you will have your answer.
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6 years ago  ::  Jun 21, 2008 - 8:45AM #6
G.Larson
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Witnesses believe what the BIble tells them, that the living creature IS a soul, and that the soul dies as the body dies.  We believe that, as the Bible tells us, the soul is the body. According to the scriptures, the soul bleeds, eats food, and dies (Jeremiah 2:34; Leviticus 7:18; Ezekiei 18:4 KJV, NWT). Animals such as fish, cattle and sheep are referred to as being souls in the scriptures. (Please see Revelation 16:3; Numbers 31:8 KJV, NWT) So it is not a separate entity from the body according to the Bible. And according to the Bible, when the person dies, he is completely unconscious (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10 KJV, NWT).

Since we do not practice transcendental  meditiation or use recreational drugs, it is highly unlikely that a Witness would ever come into a state in which they would experience what seems to be an out-of-body experience.

Though some people have what they consider to be an out-of-body experience during a short clinical death, we understand that there may be neurochemical reasons for a hallucinatory sensation like that. The brain can continue  functioning for a time after breathing stops. I had a Witness friend who died on the operating table, and she did not experience the illusion of leaving her body. She remembered  a frightening experience of being unable to move, feeling like she was suffocating and being able to hear the doctors working on her.  Unlike adults, who frequently report seeing dead relatives and other hallucinations during a period of tempory death, children very often report seeing living people. So we do not believe such a thing is truly possible.

Hope that explains this sufficiently for you. We believe what the Bible explains about the soul. Unfortunately, many Bibles substitute other words for the Hebrew and Greek words for soul, which leads to confusion. The King James Version renders the Hebrew word "nephesh"  and the Greek word "psyche" accurately  in the verses cited above so you can check out what it says.
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6 years ago  ::  Jun 21, 2008 - 9:32AM #7
G.Larson
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I thought of another couple scriptures  that would be helpful in understanding our postition on this subject:

Look at Psalm 146:4, which explains that a person's  thoughts stop on the day he dies.  The scripture explains that his spirit ("breath" or "life principle", depending on how the original-language word is being used) leaves, and his thoughts perish.  Also compare Psalm 104:29. Here, the KJV renders the one Hebrew word as "breath" instead of "spirit" as it does at Psalm 146:4.

So we also do not believe that a person's "spirit" can leave the body and have its own consciousness. The Bible shows that this is impossible.
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6 years ago  ::  Jun 21, 2008 - 10:33AM #8
G.Larson
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I thought of another few scriptures  that would be helpful in understanding our postition on this subject:

Look at Psalm 146:4, which explains that a person's  thoughts stop on the day he dies.  The scripture explains that his "spirit" ("breath" or "life principle", depending on how the original-language word is being used) leaves, and his thoughts perish.  Also compare Psalm 104:29. Here, the KJV  renders the one Hebrew word "ruach" as "breath", same as it does at Psalm 146:4.

Now notice the next verse-- verse 30 of Psalm 104. Notice, here the identical word "ruach" is rendered as "Spirit" in this verse. This verse is speaking of God, so the translators chose to render it that way, as if it is "holy spirit". But it could well be translated "breath" here too. "Breath" would be in harmony with Genesis 2:7, where it explains that God "BREATHED into [man's] nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul". (Notice he was not "given" a soul. He "became" one.)

You see, the word "spirit" is rendered from Greek and Hebrew words "ruach"  and "psyche". The Greek and Hebrew words mean "spirit", "breath", "wind", as well as "disposition", "desire" and a host of other things as well as angels and demons. However, the important point of this discussion is; for humans, the original-language scriptures clearly show that once the "ruach" departs the body, there is no more consciousness. The NWT is consistent in rendering all instances of "ruach" and "psyche" as "spirit", so it is easier to see what the "spirit" is in regard to mankind in the NWT. But it can be discerned in other Bible renderings with careful study. The human "spirit" does not have a life of its own apart from the body.

So we do not believe that a person's "spirit" can go out of the body and have its own consciousness. Just like we do not believe the "soul" can have an existence outside the body.The Bible shows that this is impossible.
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6 years ago  ::  Jun 21, 2008 - 9:32AM #9
G.Larson
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I thought of another couple scriptures  that would be helpful in understanding our postition on this subject:

Look at Psalm 146:4, which explains that a person's  thoughts stop on the day he dies.  The scripture explains that his spirit ("breath" or "life principle", depending on how the original-language word is being used) leaves, and his thoughts perish.  Also compare Psalm 104:29. Here, the KJV renders the one Hebrew word as "breath" instead of "spirit" as it does at Psalm 146:4.

So we also do not believe that a person's "spirit" can leave the body and have its own consciousness. The Bible shows that this is impossible.
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6 years ago  ::  Jun 21, 2008 - 10:33AM #10
G.Larson
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I thought of another few scriptures  that would be helpful in understanding our postition on this subject:

Look at Psalm 146:4, which explains that a person's  thoughts stop on the day he dies.  The scripture explains that his "spirit" ("breath" or "life principle", depending on how the original-language word is being used) leaves, and his thoughts perish.  Also compare Psalm 104:29. Here, the KJV  renders the one Hebrew word "ruach" as "breath", same as it does at Psalm 146:4.

Now notice the next verse-- verse 30 of Psalm 104. Notice, here the identical word "ruach" is rendered as "Spirit" in this verse. This verse is speaking of God, so the translators chose to render it that way, as if it is "holy spirit". But it could well be translated "breath" here too. "Breath" would be in harmony with Genesis 2:7, where it explains that God "BREATHED into [man's] nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul". (Notice he was not "given" a soul. He "became" one.)

You see, the word "spirit" is rendered from Greek and Hebrew words "ruach"  and "psyche". The Greek and Hebrew words mean "spirit", "breath", "wind", as well as "disposition", "desire" and a host of other things as well as angels and demons. However, the important point of this discussion is; for humans, the original-language scriptures clearly show that once the "ruach" departs the body, there is no more consciousness. The NWT is consistent in rendering all instances of "ruach" and "psyche" as "spirit", so it is easier to see what the "spirit" is in regard to mankind in the NWT. But it can be discerned in other Bible renderings with careful study. The human "spirit" does not have a life of its own apart from the body.

So we do not believe that a person's "spirit" can go out of the body and have its own consciousness. Just like we do not believe the "soul" can have an existence outside the body.The Bible shows that this is impossible.
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