Curious4184 wrote:

Sorry if this is more than one question on one thread but they are all closely related...:
Do most SDAs believe that Michael is Jesus? Is it in any way an offical doctrine? Does it affect membership in the church, like does a person have to believe Michael is Jesus to join?

Curious,  It is unrelated questions which shouldn't be on the "same issue" thread.

To my knowledge, and IMHO, I believe most SDA'S do understand that relationship as valid.
Having said that, It is not a "Baptismal question" which one agrees to, "as believing",  to be a member of the SDA Church.

Curious4184 wrote:

How can Jesus be an angel and God at the same time?

How can you be "father",  "son", "brother",  and an UPS delivery person at the same time??
Curious, The Hebrew word for angel=malak and means messenger, and angel.
Heb.1:13-14 says, "But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
If you read the fist part of that chapter, you will see that there is a distinction between the "created heavenly "beings called angels" and the SON.
And man? read Ps.8:4-5,"What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour."

Go here for the "blueletterbible" definition:  http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexi … ersion=kjv

The Greek word for angel =aggelos and has the same meanings.   Messenger as in "one sent".

Paul declares in 1Cor.10:4 that Jesus is the Rock which followed.

Jesus said HE WAS SENT BY THE FATHER; AND THE MESSAGE HE GAVE WAS FROM THE FATHER.--------Therefore, the Greek word "aggelos"=angel also applies to Jesus. However, that does not MAKE HIM AN ANGELIC CREATED BEING. Any more than the "incarnation" made Jesus a permanent "human being".

The word Michael means "Who is like unto God"?  See:  http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexi … ersion=kjv

Therefore, when one puts all these puzzle pieces together with those which speak on Michael, one is strongly impressed that those specific verses were, indeed, equating Michael=Jesus.

However, no place is it specified that this is a salvational issue. But it would bolster the fact that Jesus, the creator of all things, has been in the fight to preserve a LOVE relationship in the face of Evil and corrupt created beings-----to the sacrifice of HIMSELF----for achieving that purpose.

[QUOTE=sincerly;362704]How can you be "father",  "son", "brother",  and an UPS delivery person at the same time??
Curious, The Hebrew word for angel=malak and means messenger, and angel.
Heb.1:13-14 says, "But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
If you read the fist part of that chapter, you will see that there is a distinction between the "created heavenly "beings called angels" and the SON.
And man? read Ps.8:4-5,"What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour."

Go here for the "blueletterbible" definition:  http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexi … ersion=kjv

The Greek word for angel =aggelos and has the same meanings.   Messenger as in "one sent".

Paul declares in 1Cor.10:4 that Jesus is the Rock which followed.

Jesus said HE WAS SENT BY THE FATHER; AND THE MESSAGE HE GAVE WAS FROM THE FATHER.--------Therefore, the Greek word "aggelos"=angel also applies to Jesus. However, that does not MAKE HIM AN ANGELIC CREATED BEING. Any more than the "incarnation" made Jesus a permanent "human being".

The word Michael means "Who is like unto God"?  See:  http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexi … ersion=kjv

Therefore, when one puts all these puzzle pieces together with those which speak on Michael, one is strongly impressed that those specific verses were, indeed, equating Michael=Jesus.

However, no place is it specified that this is a salvational issue. But it would bolster the fact that Jesus, the creator of all things, has been in the fight to preserve a LOVE relationship in the face of Evil and corrupt created beings-----to the sacrifice of HIMSELF----for achieving that purpose.[/QUOTE]
Well I can't be a human and an alien at the same time.:rolleyes:

Christ07 wrote:

Well I can't be a human and an alien at the same time.:rolleyes:

Christ07, Welcome to the SDA Forums.

However, My question to you is why Not??? The Hebrew word from which we get the English word "alien" as seen in the KJV Bible is "ger" and means stranger or so-journer.

BTW, "curious", was inquiring about a serious matter-----Belief in GOD and how it could effect one's salvation. Should I have given him a flippant answer??

RayGarton wrote:

Curious wrote: Do most SDAs believe that Michael is Jesus? Is it in any way an offical doctrine?

You can find some well-researched and thoroughly documented information on this topic at the link below:

http://www.truthorfables.com/Is_Michael_Christ.htm

Curious wrote: How can Jesus be an angel and God at the same time?

Good question. I think you'll find some answers at the above link. I hope that's helpful.

Ray,  Curious was asking for the SDA belief -----NOT that of another "belief/persuasion".
Your response is one to incur debate and is not appropriate for this Forum- It belongs on the Debate Forum. Your link is filled with erroneous material as it relates to the SDA Church and EGW. Therefore, controversial.