| 6 years ago :: Nov 17, 2007 - 10:12AM #1 | |
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Hello All,
I am brand new to this site and am very happy I found it. I am a convert to catholicism since about 2000. I have a very strong faith and have been learning alot about the church as I continue to grow. I was raised up in the Baptist Church and then Assembly of God church. My mother who recently passed away was the MOST faithful women I have ever known or probably will ever know. She was so totally committed to God up to the very last moments of her death and I am so thankful that my faith was built on her example and guidance. Although I eventually drifted away from the "Assembly of God" Church, my faith in our God will never be waivered. I have always been fascinated by the Catholic Church and found it quite "peaceful" versus the yelling and fingerpointing atmosphere of the Assembly of God Church.. I feel complete and comfortable in the Catholic church and feel that there is more reverance to God in Mass then in other churches I have attended. So, having this brief description of my past, I ask this question about Freemasons.... Prior to becoming a Catholic, I was a Freemason in a local NH Lodge. I enjoyed being a Mason. A Mason centers himself on being a model citizen who helps his fellow man and has faith in God. I have read many questions about Catholics and Catholicism and I'm still not satified with the answers. I left the Masons when I became a Catholic because the Church was against it. I never quite understood why because there was nothing that was done within the Masonic Fraternity that I would have considered displeasing to God. I have seen that all of the Popes have said that a Catholic is committing "Grave Sin" if he is a Mason and may not take communion. I understand that the Church does not want people involved in a "Secret Society". The Mason's are not a secret society, but merely a "society with some secrets". Well, the Knights of Columbus also holds a secret about their degree process. The Mason's meetings are held outside of the public, they have secret handshakes and some terms that you can say in front of another Mason that would indicate your a Mason. All of this however is just part of being in a Fraternity, nothing is immoral, there is nothing that happens in meetings that are immoral and nothing at all that I can possibly see that would be displeasing to God! I'm actually considering re-joining the Masons. My faith in our Lord has not changed, I'm not unhappy with the Church but I'm wondering if this position is based on ignorance of the Masonic Fraternity or for what other reason. Can anyone help me with a clear, understandable reason why Catholics cannot be Masons? |
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| 6 years ago :: Nov 18, 2007 - 7:21AM #2 | |
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Hello John, welcome to Beliefnet and to this Forum :)
You're already aware that Catholicism and Freemasonry don't mix, I don't really know what more I can say to make it clearer or more understandable for you. From Catholic Exchange: " From the outset, one must understand that Freemasonry is not simply a social club. Freemasonry is itself a religion, though many Masons may deny it. The Masons hold a specific set of beliefs, the “truth” of which they claim can be discovered through human reason. In contrast, Christians do not believe that all truth can be discovered by mere reason (Catechism of the Catholic Church, nos. 50-100.) Masons believe in the fatherhood of God, the brotherhood of mankind, and the immortality of the soul. Masons may belong to any religion as long as they believe the tenets of Freemasonry. So, even though they treat other religions as if they are equal, Freemasonry has primacy, superseding other religions if there is a conflict regarding doctrine or practice. In addition, it would seem inconceivable to most people that they could claim to be both Catholic and Hindu, Presbyterian and Muslim, etc. But that is, in essence, what a “Catholic Mason” does, and that is why Freemasonry is so dangerous: It slowly insinuates Masonic beliefs and practices into the lives of Catholics and others. Freemasonry is not a Christian religion. On the contrary, the Masons espouse beliefs that are incompatible with the teachings of Christ and His apostles. The Masons ask their members to keep to themselves all beliefs concerning Jesus Christ, the Bible, and the authority of the Church (contrast with Rom. 10:14, 17; Mk. 16:15). The Catechism states that “the social duty of Christians is to respect and awaken in each man the love of the true and the good. It requires them to make known the worship of the one true religion which subsists in the Catholic and apostolic Church” (no., 2105). The importance of evangelization is stressed often by Jesus and His apostles (Mt. 28:18-20; Lk. 8:1; Acts 8:12, 8:35, 10:36-43, 13:32, 14:15).The religion of Freemasonry acts to impede Christian evangelization and thus acts directly against one of the most basic tenants of Catholicism. The Freemasons do not promote one particular philosophical or religious truth above another, except their own idea that man is his own light of truth. This is contrary to Christ’s teaching in Jn. 14:6: “I am the way, the truth, and the life” (see also Ps. 18:28, 27:1, 43:3, 86:11, 118:27, 119:105). Pope Leo XIII wrote the following on the primary purpose of Freemasonry: “For they deny that anything has been taught by God; they allow no dogma of religion or truth which cannot be understood by human intelligence nor any teacher who ought to be believed by reason of his authority.”[3] A religion that denies that anything has been taught or revealed by God is obviously deficient, not to mention blasphemous (see Mt. 16:18, 28:18-20; 1 Tim. 3:15; 1 Cor. 2:9-13; Ps. 71:17; Is. 54:5, 13; Jn. 6:45, 16:13). Christ said to His apostles, “No one can serve two masters” (Mt. 6:24). Catholics should heed this warning. It is impossible for a Christian to straddle the worlds of two different religions, especially two which are so obviously at odds with one another in terms of belief and practice." Have you read the Catechism on this? (no.'s 50-100) What you could do and I highly suggest this, is to talk with your Parish Priest about it, he can no doubt explain it much better than websites or myself, God's Blessings, Sandy ![]()
"Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the Words of Eternal Life"
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| 6 years ago :: Nov 18, 2007 - 12:02PM #3 | |
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There is also the problem with the Masons being strongly anti-Catholic. We don't see it much in North America (a reason why the North American Bishops wanted the Masons to be excluded from the ban in Canon Law) but in Europe they are still actively working against the Catholic Church which is why the ban is still in place.
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| 5 years ago :: Dec 07, 2007 - 10:25AM #4 | |
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May I suggest the Knights of Columbus? A wonderful Catholic mens organization!!!!
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| 5 years ago :: Dec 07, 2007 - 10:25AM #5 | |
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May I suggest the Knights of Columbus? A wonderful Catholic mens organization!!!!
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| 5 years ago :: Aug 23, 2008 - 5:53PM #6 | |
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Masons are very anti-Catholic.
Join the Knights of Columbus, they are a good strong Catholic men's organization. My husband has been a member, 4th degree, for 7 years. 4th degree Knights are the ones you see in the capes, chapeau, tuxes, with the swords.
James Thurber - "It is better to know some of the questions than all of the answers."
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| 4 years ago :: Feb 10, 2009 - 7:25AM #7 | |
![]() When the Knights of Columbus asked the Masons for assistance forming the archway last year, the Masons gladly stepped forward to help. Many of the brethren also walked in the Relay for Life, which raised an estimated $70,000 this year. Cooperation between the Knights and Masons during the past two years at the Relay for Life continues to reinforce the work of the fraternities within the Punxsutawney community. http://www.pagrandlodge.org/freemason/1108/page16d.html ___________________________________________________________________________________ Above is just one example of Fellowship between The K of C and the Lodge, There are thousands more examples of Masons coming together every year to help the Catholic Church in many verities of activities.. |
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| 3 years ago :: Jun 16, 2010 - 12:29AM #8 | |
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While I agree with the conclusion that a Catholic cannot be a freemason, I cannot agree with the reason given. Many organizations take no religious positions and many do not allow discussion of religion in the context of the organization. My employer and most employers do not allow proselitizing or discussion of religion at the office. AA and most 12 step groups are neutral on specific religious beliefs, and do not allow talking about specific beliefs during sharing. Indefferentism is saying it does not matter or we do not know. It is not saying that it will not be discussed in a particular venue. Freemasonry has been historically hostile to the Church, holds quasi-religious beliefs for the higher degrees and has rites which can easily be seen as replacing those of the Church. Any of those reasons would keep me out and should keep a Catholic out. But the fact that it takes no position on religion is not a valid reason. Neither does my chess club nor my neighborhood association. I also have to wonder the degree to which we should assume that a person supports every position of any organization he or she belongs to. I certainly do not support every item of the political party with which I am registered, not those of the other major party. But I live in a closed primary state and want to influence the nominees. |
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| 3 years ago :: Jun 28, 2010 - 12:46PM #9 | |
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Freemasonry does not discriminate against potential members on the basis of religion. To discriminate against anyone on any basis violates the Masonic Code. The ban against a catholic becoming a Mason is decreed by the catholic church. |
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| 2 years ago :: Jun 25, 2011 - 2:31AM #10 | |
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