[QUOTE=Feinics;89421]What meaning do you think I got from which particular words creaky?:).[/QUOTE]

A review of recent posts would answer that, I believe and not derail the topic any longer.

What was the issue you wanted to clear up about the law of return?

C.H.

While you sometimes ask extremely broad questions for which there are no simple answers, your phrasing is just fine.

All Wiccans practices must include something that addresses the law of return and if they don’t, then it remains questionable if the practice can be recognised as being part of the Religion of Wicca. However, ‘something that addresses’ the concept of ‘you get what you send out’ also enables a diversity of how that is being conceptualised. Which will determine whether an individual Wiccan or group or Tradition considers ‘their’ take on this core belief to be a magical guideline, a moral guideline or both. So no simple answer here for all Wiccans.

Also the Law of Return isn’t just Wiccan. The earlier sources of this Law obviously couldn’t be and the Law like so much else in published Wicca is found in many forms throughout modern Paganism and the various religions that evolved under this umbrella. As a Dianic Witch for instance (and not being Wiccan), the Law of Return is a magical guideline as well as moral. I interpret it as, 1) the effort for me to send something out, 2) the effort for me to deal with the immediate consequences and 3) the effort for me to deal with the long-term consequences.

As a past life healer, I have often seen karma and the law of return intertwined by many authors, notably Pagan. Many interpretations are very much in keeping with the Neo-Wicca, trendy Paganism that is so lucrative today. Keeping in mind here that the karma most often being referred to is the sanitised Western version and not applicable to the Eastern concept with its context of nirvana, negation of human existence, caste system and punishment/debt. The Western version has echoes of these but no consistent cultural or mythological or religious foundation. Basically Western karma becomes whatever the individual or group or marketing needs it to be and as such is easily appended to the various interpretations of the Law of Return. The more unfortunate Western versions of karma, I have dealt with in my healing work include everything from:  ‘you are one of the chosen’ ego-trap to the self-inflicted martyrdom of ‘karmic’ debt and curses that encourage not taking self-responsibility for changing ones life to the seductive ‘soul-mate’ concept that inflicts an impossible standard that a prospective relationship has to attain.

C.H.

thanks KeaErisdottir, your post, # 18, was well thought out. i really appreciated it. as usual, i have trouble with putting thoughts into words and even then, communicating them to others.
i agree with your thoughts on the matter. at one point, you mentioned ethics when doing magick.
in my studies, my teacher drummed ethics, to check our ethics before perfoming ANY kind of magick.
... will hurt or harm, physically, mentally, spiritually, or emotionally. if there was a yes to any or a doubt, than i had to go over the list again to honestly make sure and if it did, not to perform the magick. anyway, i just wanted to say thanks for post 18. it put into words many of the thoughts i've had pertaining to this.
Anyway, blessings to all!
Hi SG, hope your well.
Gwyddion9 (Ron)

sacrificialgoddess wrote:

A link to a favorite website

I believe this maybe the page SG was thinking of, The Threefold Law, but then you know what they say about a fundie telling a Goddess what she is thinking...  Also another page is here. Most likely more than you ever want to know can be found on these 10 pages 

There are certainly those who profess to believe the Threefold Law was created in the 1960s to give Wicca an illusion of respectable, as part of cleaning up the Craft and making it appear to be more acceptable to Christians who had the power then. That it and the other expressions of ethics where simply tools of the reclaiming. That the Ethics of Wicca are part of the Grand Illusion.   :) A lot depends on if you accept that Wicca was a religion created in the 40 ~ 50 ~ 60 or if you believe it is/was a older religion. Much of the written history of what is known now as Wicca is from the sixties and seventies.