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3 years ago  ::  May 17, 2015 - 2:37PM #1
Jupiter6208
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Wow just seen this. Anyone here from there?

www.charlestoncitypaper.com/charleston/h...

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3 years ago  ::  May 17, 2015 - 5:53PM #2
Aka_me
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this is where I believe it important to help educate both the media and individuals...


Christianity is a Faith because it requires nothing more than believing in Jesus.


Catholic, Baptist, Evangelical, Protestant, Mormon, Seventh Day Adventist are all DIFFERENT religions under the same Faith.


the Catholic Faith or Mormon Faith amounts to what the believers themselves hold in their heart, as opposed to the man wearing special clothing holding a book in a specific building explaining authentic interpretation, which is the Catholic RELIGION or Mormon RELIGION.


these people are not separated by faith, they're united by faith (in Jesus)


the people are separated by religion.


in which case the Baha'i Faith is somewhere around 0.000935% of the united states, based on 300K american Baha'i in a population of 320,760,000 people.


the Baha'i Faith is DRASTICALLY falling behind natural population growth, relatively speaking its shinking fast.

I dream in my lifetime uhmericans will come to realize hezbollah, hamas, and isis gain followers by helping society AND the only way to defeat them is to perform greater good.

the average person is 8 times more likely to be murdered by a cop than a radical terrorist
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3 years ago  ::  May 20, 2015 - 3:51AM #3
in_my_opinion
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May 17, 2015 -- 5:53PM, Aka_me wrote:


this is where I believe it important to help educate both the media and individuals...


Christianity is a Faith because it requires nothing more than believing in Jesus.


Catholic, Baptist, Evangelical, Protestant, Mormon, Seventh Day Adventist are all DIFFERENT religions under the same Faith.


the Catholic Faith or Mormon Faith amounts to what the believers themselves hold in their heart, as opposed to the man wearing special clothing holding a book in a specific building explaining authentic interpretation, which is the Catholic RELIGION or Mormon RELIGION.


these people are not separated by faith, they're united by faith (in Jesus)


the people are separated by religion.


in which case the Baha'i Faith is somewhere around 0.000935% of the united states, based on 300K american Baha'i in a population of 320,760,000 people.


the Baha'i Faith is DRASTICALLY falling behind natural population growth, relatively speaking its shinking fast.




You may wish to look up the statistics and it helps to look at the growth rate from a planetary perspective:


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_of_religion


The highest two growth rates, of belief systems, in the last century, worldwide, are those of Atheism and Agnosticism.


"The vitality of men's belief in God is dying out in every land; nothing short of His wholesome medicine can ever restore it."


 (Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 199)


The Baha'i Faith has the third highest growth rate among all belief systems for the same period.

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3 years ago  ::  May 20, 2015 - 12:50PM #4
world citizen
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May 17, 2015 -- 5:53PM, Aka_me wrote:

this is where I believe it important to help educate both the media and individuals...


Christianity is a Faith because it requires nothing more than believing in Jesus.


Catholic, Baptist, Evangelical, Protestant, Mormon, Seventh Day Adventist are all DIFFERENT religions under the same Faith.


the Catholic Faith or Mormon Faith amounts to what the believers themselves hold in their heart, as opposed to the man wearing special clothing holding a book in a specific building explaining authentic interpretation, which is the Catholic RELIGION or Mormon RELIGION.


these people are not separated by faith, they're united by faith (in Jesus)


the people are separated by religion.


in which case the Baha'i Faith is somewhere around 0.000935% of the united states, based on 300K american Baha'i in a population of 320,760,000 people.


the Baha'i Faith is DRASTICALLY falling behind natural population growth, relatively speaking its shinking fast.


Sorry to say this, Aka_me, but you just can't seem to help yourself.  You have an incredible way of always turning something positive into something negative.  Thanks for nothing.

Blessed is he who mingleth with all men in a spirit of utmost kindliness and love.  ~Baha'u'llah
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3 years ago  ::  May 23, 2015 - 2:18PM #5
Aka_me
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I apologize if truth causes trouble


but I do NOT want the Faith to become "that group" shouting


our growth proves our truth and our truth creates our growth.


at that future point in time...


where the Faith's growth is at a level never before seen by any religious group


it will be of the utmost importance to be nonchalant about it or risk inflaming their fundies.


don't you think?


and it will be very tempting for people who converted from the shouting group to the Baha'i Faith to want to once again trumpet the growth truth fallacy.

I dream in my lifetime uhmericans will come to realize hezbollah, hamas, and isis gain followers by helping society AND the only way to defeat them is to perform greater good.

the average person is 8 times more likely to be murdered by a cop than a radical terrorist
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3 years ago  ::  May 23, 2015 - 11:10PM #6
in_my_opinion
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May 23, 2015 -- 2:18PM, Aka_me wrote:


I apologize if truth causes trouble


but I do NOT want the Faith to become "that group" shouting


our growth proves our truth and our truth creates our growth.


at that future point in time...


where the Faith's growth is at a level never before seen by any religious group


it will be of the utmost importance to be nonchalant about it or risk inflaming their fundies.


don't you think?


and it will be very tempting for people who converted from the shouting group to the Baha'i Faith to want to once again trumpet the growth truth fallacy.




Never thought of that.


In fact never even heard of a "... growth truth fallacy." until this your post.


These truths were expressed by non-Baha'i sources.


The statistic in South Carolina comes from research on all 50 states. Baha'is didn't go around to boast it. In fact we didn't even know about it before it was published.


We aren't bragging. We become Believers because we seek truth.


We don't force it on anyone. We independently investigate it.


We don't lie and deny it. Finally, we're not fearful of facts. They are what they are.


Scientists have a an ethic called "humility before the facts" and they can often immediately key-in on a conclusion unsupported by the data.


If, someone wants to spin-doctor it into a negative; well, that might be truth, too.

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3 years ago  ::  May 24, 2015 - 2:04PM #7
Aka_me
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May 23, 2015 -- 11:10PM, in_my_opinion wrote:


Never thought of that.


In fact never even heard of a "... growth truth fallacy." until this your post.


These truths were expressed by non-Baha'i sources.


The statistic in South Carolina comes from research on all 50 states. Baha'is didn't go around to boast it. In fact we didn't even know about it before it was published.


We aren't bragging. We become Believers because we seek truth.


We don't force it on anyone. We independently investigate it.


We don't lie and deny it. Finally, we're not fearful of facts. They are what they are.


Scientists have a an ethic called "humility before the facts" and they can often immediately key-in on a conclusion unsupported by the data.


If, someone wants to spin-doctor it into a negative; well, that might be truth, too.



you are entirely correct, I'm just providing food for thought on future "potential" issues.


it will be impossible for some Baha'i to not "share the statistics discovered by non-Baha'i" with friends and family.


and will naturally create a reaction in fundies. it's unavoidable.

I dream in my lifetime uhmericans will come to realize hezbollah, hamas, and isis gain followers by helping society AND the only way to defeat them is to perform greater good.

the average person is 8 times more likely to be murdered by a cop than a radical terrorist
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3 years ago  ::  May 25, 2015 - 11:00AM #8
in_my_opinion
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May 24, 2015 -- 2:04PM, Aka_me wrote:


you are entirely correct, I'm just providing food for thought on future "potential" issues.


it will be impossible for some Baha'i to not "share the statistics discovered by non-Baha'i" with friends and family.


and will naturally create a reaction in fundies. it's unavoidable.




Not only is it unavoidable; it is welcome!


We should never borrow hypothetical fears. The "potential" of the future is God's Cause.


The old world order is the fertile soil in which this Flower grows. In biology one would say that it is the product of the decomposers that provide the elements which nourish the growth of the producer organisms. The light and warmth of God's loving mercy, the rain of God's bounty and generosity act upon seed and soil.


Sharing good news is not a bad thing and it is just as natural as celebrating the birth of a child in the family.


Creating a reaction is good. One of the signs of successfully living the Baha'i life is persecution!


We welcome that! Because it distinguishes the Cause for being the Light.



"Were it not for the cold, how would the heat of Thy words prevail, O Expounder of the worlds?


Were it not for calamity, how would the sun of Thy patience shine, O Light of the worlds?"


 (Compilations, Baha'i Prayers, p. 216)


"Thou hast written concerning the tests that have come upon thee. To the sincere ones, tests are as a gift from God, the Exalted, for a heroic person hasteneth, with the utmost joy and gladness, to the tests of a violent battlefield, but the coward is afraid and trembles and utters moaning and lamentation. Likewise, an expert student prepareth and memorizeth his lessons and exercises with the utmost effort, and in the day of examination he appeareth with infinite joy before the master. Likewise, the pure gold shineth radiantly in the fire of test. Consequently, it is made clear that for holy souls, trials are as the gift of God, the Exalted; but for weak souls they are an unexpected calamity. This test is just as thou hast written: it removeth the rust of egotism from the mirror of the heart until the Sun of Truth may shine therein. For, no veil is greater than egotism and no matter how thin that covering may be, yet it will finally veil man entirely and prevent him from receiving a portion from the eternal bounty."


 (Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i World Faith - Abdu'l-Baha Section, p. 371)



"... the friends in the West will unquestionably have their share of the calamities befalling the friends in the East. It is inevitable that, walking the pathway of Bahá'u'lláh, they too will become targets for persecution by the oppressors.


Now ye, as well, must certainly become my partners to some slight degree, and accept your share of tests and sorrows. But these episodes shall pass away, while that abiding glory and eternal life shall remain unchanged forever. Moreover, these afflictions shall be the cause of great advancement."


("Selections from the Writings of 'Abdu'l-Bahá" sec. 196, pp. 238-39)


EXTRACTS FROM LETTERS WRITTEN ON BEHALF OF SHOGHI EFFENDI:


285. For the history of the Cause, particularly in Persia, is a clear illustration of the truth that such persecutions invariably serve to  strengthen the believers in their faith, by stimulating the spiritual powers latent in their hearts, and by awakening in them a new and deeper consciousness of their duties and responsibilities towards the Faith. Indeed, the mere progress of the Cause, by provoking the hatreds and jealousies of peoples and nations, creates for itself such difficulties and obstacles as only its divine spirit can overcome. 'Abdu'l-Bahá has emphatically stated that the enmity and opposition of the world will increase in direct proportion to the extension and progress of the Faith. The greater the zeal of the believers and the more striking the effect of their achievements, the fiercer will be the opposition of the enemy.


(20 January 1935 to the National Spiritual Assembly of India and Burma)


286. He is, indeed, fully alive to the difficulties which the friends, not only in your centre but all around the world, are daily encountering in their attempt to establish and perfect the administrative machinery of the Faith. These difficulties and obstacles, however, he considers to be inevitable, inherent as they are in the very process through which the Cause of Bahá'u'lláh is destined to develop and to eventually establish its ascendancy in the world. Not only are such difficulties inevitable, but they should be viewed, indeed, as constituting a God-given test whereby the friends can, and will assuredly, enrich and perfect the spiritual and moral energies latent in them, and in this way help in establishing that Divine civilization promised to them by God.


Trials and sufferings, Bahá'u'lláh has repeatedly warned us in His Tablets, are even as the oil that feeds the lamp. The Cause cannot reveal its full splendour unless and until it encounters and successfully overcomes the very obstacles that every now and then stand in its way, and for some time appear to threaten its very foundations. Such obstacles, tests and trials are indeed blessings in disguise, and as such are bound to help in promoting the Faith.


(31 July 1935 to an individual believer)


287. ...though he has been made truly grieved to learn of the continued and malignant opposition which the enemies of the Cause in ..., and particularly the clerical element, are directing against the believers in that centre. He wishes you, however, to urge the friends not to feel in the least disheartened or discouraged, but to pursue with renewed determination, unity and vigour their sacred task of spreading and establishing the Faith, confident in the glorious future awaiting them. The greater the number of persecutions, and the more intense they become in character, the deeper their faith should be in the unique mission entrusted to them by Bahá'u'lláh, and the greater their zeal to help in hastening is complete fulfilment.


This Cause, as every Divine Cause, cannot be effectively established unless it encounters and valiantly triumphs over the forces of opposition with which it is assailed. The history of the Faith is in itself a sufficient proof of that. Trials and persecutions have always been, and will continue to be, the lot of the chosen ones of God. But these they should consider as blessings in disguise, as through them their faith will be quickened, purified and strengthened. Bahá'u'lláh compares such afflictive trials to the oil which feeds the lamp of the Cause of God.


The friends should, therefore, not assume an attitude of mere resignation in the face of persecutions. They should rather welcome them, and utilize them as means for their own spiritual uplift and also for the promotion of the Cause. As the Faith grows stronger and attracts the serious attention and consideration of the world outside, the friends must expect a similar, if not a greater, increase in the forces of opposition which from every direction, both secular and religious, will be massed to undermine the very basis of its existence. The final outcome of such a struggle, which will be surely gigantic, is clear to us believers. A Faith born of God and guided by His Divine and all-pervasive spirit cannot but finally triumph and firmly establish itself, no matter how persistent and insidious the forces with which it has to contend. The friends should be confident, and act with the utmost wisdom and moderation, and should particularly abstain from any provocative act. The future is surely theirs.


(24 June 1936 to an individual believer)


288. His fears are rather for those friends who, due to their insufficient realization of the divine power that mysteriously operates in the Faith, are prone to look at such developments as constituting the death-knell of the Cause. In his communications to the ... friends during the last few weeks he has always stressed the fact, and he wishes you to do the same in all your conversations and correspondence with them, that the Cause is bound sooner or later to suffer from all kinds of attacks and persecutions, that these in fact constitute the life-blood of its institutions, and as such constitute an inseparable and intrinsic part of its development and growth. Trials and tribulations, as Bahá'u'lláh says, are the oil that feed the lamp of the Cause, and are indeed blessings in disguise. The friends should therefore be confident that all these attacks to which the Cause is now subjected in ... are a necessary part of the development of the Cause, and that their outcome would be beneficial to its best interests.


(31 August 1937 to an individual believer)


289. Later on, when the very progress of the Cause on the one hand, and the corresponding decline in ecclesiastical organizations on the other will inevitably incite Christian ecclesiastical leaders to vehemently oppose and undermine the Faith, the believers will then have a real chance to defend and vindicate the Cause....


(25 May 1938 to the National Spiritual Assembly of the United States and Canada)


290. It seems both strange and pitiful that the Church and clergy should always, in every age, be the most bitter opponents of the very Truth they are continually admonishing their followers to be prepared to receive! They have become so violently attached to the form that the substance itself eludes them!


However, such denunciations as those your minister made publicly against you and the Bahá'í Faith can do no harm to the Cause at all; on the contrary they only serve to spread its name abroad and mark it as an independent religion.


(7 February 1945 to an individual believer)


291. It is too bad that some of the Friends have left the Faith due to the pressure of the Church leaders. Of course, it was inevitable that Church leaders would oppose us. The Master has predicted that this would occur; and likewise the very nature of events whereby the Faith grows and develops taking members away from the Church will cause a reaction of the Church against us. We must bear in mind that every attack from the religious leaders in the past has been a means for the development of the Faith itself because those who listen to the attacks can't help but be affected by the purity and sincerity of the Faith.


(19 June 1957 to an individual believer)


 (Compilations, The Compilation of Compilations vol. I, p. 148)

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3 years ago  ::  May 25, 2015 - 11:42AM #9
Jupiter6208
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Jeez and all i did was point out an article i seen..... you guys seem to make things complicated.

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3 years ago  ::  May 25, 2015 - 12:52PM #10
in_my_opinion
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May 25, 2015 -- 11:42AM, Jupiter6208 wrote:


Jeez and all i did was point out an article i seen..... you guys seem to make things complicated.




You see, Jupiter6208, it is actually really very simple; it is complicated!Wink


(BTW, where does your handle come from and what does it mean?)

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