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4 years ago  ::  Jun 07, 2012 - 12:11AM #41
in_my_opinion
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Jun 6, 2012 -- 9:10PM, world citizen wrote:


Jun 4, 2012 -- 8:37PM, Mercyonme wrote:


...on the other hand, I just found that Baha'i apologetics book on amazon used for $242....



Oh well...I'll keep that on my birthday list :-)



If you're talking about the book I mentioned, Making the Crooked Straight, you can find the hardcover NEW (862 pages) for $69.95 direct from the George Ronald website.




Nice work; guess that's why they pay you the big bucks, World! Laughing

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 07, 2012 - 1:37AM #42
Sen_McGlinn
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Jun 6, 2012 -- 9:13PM, world citizen wrote:


???  Not the Ocean at my disposal... 





I downloaded mine quite recently.



"Today apology prevails in forensics, politics, teaching and certainly in advocacy journalism. Apology is implicit in the praise and maintenance of any socio-political system and/or world view. Indeed, David J. Krieger writes that the situation of 'radical pluralism' today is an outcome of 'apologetic universalism' in which both Christian theology and secular humanism (ironically), and indeed all western thinking are based on the 'apologetic method'.[10] Faced with what he sees as the collapse of both, Krieger seeks 'presuppositions for a global theology',[11] which seems to be increasingly taking the form of a new apologetic for a global society in which pluralism is increasingly becoming the norm.
.......... [10. Krieger, op. cit. pp. 17f.]
.......... [11. ibid. pp. 37-44.]

{Making the Crooked Straight} presents itself as a variation of 'answering theology'. In Paul Tillich's monumental three-volume work, [Systematic Theology},[12] answering theology forms part of the method of 'correlation', a method that is basically apologetic. In {A History of Christian Thought} Tillich writes: 'This is the apologetic form of theology which I use in my own  xix  systematic theology, that is, the correlation between question and answer.'[13]

    (German Scholarship, Making the Crooked Straight, p. xviii [Jack McLean's intro])



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4 years ago  ::  Jun 07, 2012 - 11:00AM #43
world citizen
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Jun 7, 2012 -- 1:37AM, Sen_McGlinn wrote:

Jun 6, 2012 -- 9:13PM, world citizen wrote:


???  Not the Ocean at my disposal... 





I downloaded mine quite recently.



"Today apology prevails in forensics, politics, teaching and certainly in advocacy journalism. Apology is implicit in the praise and maintenance of any socio-political system and/or world view. Indeed, David J. Krieger writes that the situation of 'radical pluralism' today is an outcome of 'apologetic universalism' in which both Christian theology and secular humanism (ironically), and indeed all western thinking are based on the 'apologetic method'.[10] Faced with what he sees as the collapse of both, Krieger seeks 'presuppositions for a global theology',[11] which seems to be increasingly taking the form of a new apologetic for a global society in which pluralism is increasingly becoming the norm.
.......... [10. Krieger, op. cit. pp. 17f.]
.......... [11. ibid. pp. 37-44.]

{Making the Crooked Straight} presents itself as a variation of 'answering theology'. In Paul Tillich's monumental three-volume work, [Systematic Theology},[12] answering theology forms part of the method of 'correlation', a method that is basically apologetic. In {A History of Christian Thought} Tillich writes: 'This is the apologetic form of theology which I use in my own  xix  systematic theology, that is, the correlation between question and answer.'[13]

    (German Scholarship, Making the Crooked Straight, p. xviii [Jack McLean's intro])




Sen,


I thought you were talking about contents of the book itself.  Does the current Ocean have all 800+ pages, excerpts, or merely references to the book?

Blessed is he who mingleth with all men in a spirit of utmost kindliness and love.  ~Baha'u'llah
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4 years ago  ::  Jun 07, 2012 - 1:23PM #44
Sen_McGlinn
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Jun 7, 2012 -- 11:00AM, world citizen wrote:

Jun 7, 2012 -- 1:37AM, Sen_McGlinn wrote:

Jun 6, 2012 -- 9:13PM, world citizen wrote:


???  Not the Ocean at my disposal... 





I downloaded mine quite recently.



"Today apology prevails in forensics, politics, teaching and certainly in advocacy journalism. Apology is implicit in the praise and maintenance of any socio-political system and/or world view. Indeed, David J. Krieger writes that the situation of 'radical pluralism' today is an outcome of 'apologetic universalism' in which both Christian theology and secular humanism (ironically), and indeed all western thinking are based on the 'apologetic method'.[10] Faced with what he sees as the collapse of both, Krieger seeks 'presuppositions for a global theology',[11] which seems to be increasingly taking the form of a new apologetic for a global society in which pluralism is increasingly becoming the norm.
.......... [10. Krieger, op. cit. pp. 17f.]
.......... [11. ibid. pp. 37-44.]

{Making the Crooked Straight} presents itself as a variation of 'answering theology'. In Paul Tillich's monumental three-volume work, [Systematic Theology},[12] answering theology forms part of the method of 'correlation', a method that is basically apologetic. In {A History of Christian Thought} Tillich writes: 'This is the apologetic form of theology which I use in my own  xix  systematic theology, that is, the correlation between question and answer.'[13]

    (German Scholarship, Making the Crooked Straight, p. xviii [Jack McLean's intro])




Sen,


I thought you were talking about contents of the book itself.  Does the current Ocean have all 800+ pages, excerpts, or merely references to the book?


Yes, my version of Ocean has the whole of Making the Crooked Straight. 791 pages.



Hey, a green parakeet just flew past my window. That's not normal in the Netherlands!

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 07, 2012 - 2:41PM #45
in_my_opinion
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Jun 7, 2012 -- 1:23PM, Sen_McGlinn wrote:


Hey, a green parakeet just flew past my window. That's not normal in the Netherlands!




Possibly came over from Belgium. Probably a Monk Parakeet, Myiopsitta monachus. They are green, charismatic, beneficial and prolific.

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 07, 2012 - 3:35PM #46
in_my_opinion
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Welcome to Beliefnet and the Bahá'í fora here, Patricklongworth!


Hope you visit regularly and get to know about the Faith at this site.

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 07, 2012 - 3:45PM #47
in_my_opinion
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May we call you Patrick? (He is one of personal favourite saints.)

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 07, 2012 - 4:51PM #48
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Jun 7, 2012 -- 2:56PM, Patricklongworth wrote:

Anytime you are taking a course (whether you pay for it or it is free) you should be concerned that you are learning correct or accurate knowledge and you should bring it to the school's, the instructor's and to the community's attention.  They may not agree with you saying that they are incorrect but you owe it to yourself, if not to others, to take a stance on this matter.



hi Patricklongworth,


that's pretty much the same thing Iron said, and I guess it's true... for the sake of acadamia being as accurate as possible something should be said

Jun 7, 2012 -- 2:56PM, Patricklongworth wrote:

As far as I know, the one I read was accurate and was useful for knowing the differences between the different religions/belief systems;



odds are the agenda of who ever wrote it would somehow make the Baha'i Faith look bad. even if it's only lying by omission... in that religious differences are (nearly or always, I'll have to think about this more later) created by humans after the founding prophet has ascended.


the founding prophets often times didn't talk about the same issues, and certainly not to the same audience or even average human intellectual level. for example Moses didn't talk much about the afterlife... causing some believing in Moses to consider good reason for not believing in Jesus.


Jun 7, 2012 -- 2:56PM, Patricklongworth wrote:

 in any case, even if it were inaccurate I didn't put too much weight upon what I learned from it.



most people with an ounce of common sense would say the same thing, which is exactly what prompted my initial reaction.


the people who think every little flier and pamplet MUST be fixed have a distorted view of reality in how much impact the fliers create in changing people's opinion.


 


anyway... welcome to our little corner of Bnet.

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3 years ago  ::  Aug 21, 2012 - 8:20PM #49
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I did not read all postings on all 5 pages, so if this is repetitive, I apologize -- altho' since no one has posted here recently, that apology may be moot!


I developed and taught a comparative religions class many years ago, and people had the same concern back then.  I advised everyone, and still do, to check their sources for the PUBLISHER!  It's pretty easy these days.  If you are looking for some accurate information on Judaism, then a book published by a Lutheran publishing company may not be your best bet.  If your source book on Zoroastrianism is from a Zoroastrian publishing company in India, it's likely a good source.  Etc., etc.


I can't imagine anyone in America seeking answers about Christianity from a book published by a Muslim publishing house in, say, Saudi Arabia!!  And, likewise, I always urge folks to get their source material on the Baha'i Faith from a Baha'i publishing company, or from the Baha'i World Centre website.  


It is so much easier these days to find this information with the internet.  If the material you are required to read in a class bothers you (on ANY religion), then find something more substantive and provide that information to your professor or within the context of your paper.  I, too (back in the day!), took what was supposed to be a comparative religions class at my very small, very much church-supported college -- which turned out to be the Christian view of all other religions, taught by a former Methodist minister.  Bless his heart, he HEARD my concerns and allowed me to turn in all my papers from "another side of the fence" perspective, and even gave me an A in the class.


Good luck and I hope you learn lots -- as does your class and your prof.!


WYOdaughter

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3 years ago  ::  Aug 22, 2012 - 10:09AM #50
world citizen
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Welcome back to our forum, wyodaughter!


I notice your entry as being your first post here.  Shame you were away so long that you had to re-register with Beliefnet.


All of the boards are fairly quiet during the summer months, but your post might help resuscitate this particular board within our forum.  Looking forward to hearing from you more often.


Good to have you with us again!  Smile

Blessed is he who mingleth with all men in a spirit of utmost kindliness and love.  ~Baha'u'llah
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