57:My response is in blue.
I have no problem with the possibility of Paul being wrong about some things. I am personally certain Paul made many mistake in theology also.
Oh he may have, but what is written and has become canonized I doubt it. The logic is simple...if Paul got theology wrong in just one place in the bible it calls into question the other places Paul wrote about theology. How do you know what part are correct?
We know what parts are correct by using the mind God gave us and comparing what God has written on our hearts with what we are told by other human beings is divine truth.
You don't seem to understand that we all make many mistakes.
I fully understand we all make mistakes...which becomes your problem later on when you don't allow for mistakes.
I do allow for mistakes. I don't know what you are talking about.
I'm sure you figured out what I was saying as you read on.
That is divine truth. Making mistakes in theology is not what prevents our receiving eternal life.
That would depend on what part of theology you are talking about. If you are talking about a certain interpretation from the book of Revelation you are correct...but if you are talking about theology surrounding the salvation message you would then be dead wrong.
It does not depend on what part of theology you are talking about. James 3:2 does not limit what it says to what theology you are talking about.
If you follow the wrong theology that presents a false Christ...you have no salvation.
The sheep made the mistake of not understanding that loving others was loving Jesus and the goats made the mistake of not believing their mistreatment of others was mistreating Jesus.
Are you not a goat from time to time? Keep in mind just a few sentences up you said we all make mistakes.
I did not say we are all goats. I make mistakes but as a child of God I am never a goat, just because of being human and imperfect. If I turn from being obediant to the law of love and adopt an unloving lifestyle, then and only then am I a goat.
Once again, you fall into your own trap...You said you makes mistakes, sin, and often we all turn from obediance to this sin outside of the will of God....according to you we become goats. What happens? Do we flip-flop back and forth depending on the moment of out life?
Their mistakes in understand things about Jesus had nothing to do with their being admitted into the presence of the father or not. It was their loving or unloving actions that were the determining factor.
Once again, are you telling me you are always "loving" and never have "unloving" actions?
Once again you are not reading what is written. I never told you I was perfect. I told you the opposite of that.
If you are NOT PERFECT...your works based salvation means nothing.
Rejecting divine truth is not what keeps us out of heaven.
Divine truth is recognizing Jesus Christ died for your sins. If you reject that divine truth it will keep you out of heaven.
So you believe. This is not what Jesus taught.
Jesus Christ didn't die for our sins? Did you really say that?
Wickedness--being unloving toward others according to Jesus and the bible is what blocks us from receiving eternal life.
Oh, you poor soul. You just gave away your salvation with that statement. Every man is wicked. Some more than others.
Oh you poor soul. I am talking about being obediant to the command of Jesus. Everyman making mistakes and falling short does not erase the commands of Jesus.
Do you "follow" the commands of Jesus to obtain salvation or as a result of your salvation?
I am personally of the opinion that you are making some theological mistakes in your rules about who gets saved and why.
You present salvation as dependent on what you do. You have fallen into the gospel of salvation through works....which condemns you because you can never be loving enough.
No my receiving the gift of eternal life is based on grace. You have no excuse for making this statment.
Grace dependent upun your works?
I don't think however those mistakes are what will prevent your being admited into the presence of God.
It is sin that prevents you from being admitted into the presence of God. There is a need to have sin forgiven. This salvation does not occur because you feel "loving towards God today" then want to go out and earn your way into heaven. Salvation comes through faith in Jesus Christ and what He did for you on the cross. Your love for God and good works are a result of salvation and not the other way around.
You are so eat up with your theology you are unable to listen or think for yourself. You refuse to read what I post. I have clearly told you about loving toward God not being a feeling or emotion, but action but you have closed your ears and continue to argue with me as if I have never said anything. You have cut out Paul's teaching that faith without love is worthless and chosen to ignore it.
Faith without love is worthless. It is because you have faith, and faith alone in what Jesus did..Gods Grace and Mercy can work and wash your sins away...salvation.....then you have the ability to truly love. You seem to be saying all that following and love which you do produces salvation. If you truly are saying that then you have it backwards. That's the point I've been trying to make with you.