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2 years ago  ::  Apr 23, 2012 - 9:50AM #11
MysticWanderer
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Apr 22, 2012 -- 9:57PM, Aka_me wrote:


there won't be any hard evidence turn up to support Carter having any direct involvement because it was so long ago, they sent telegrams in those days for cryin out loud.


there is however hard evidence in the Bob Jones University case...


The IRS again notified the University on April 16, 1975 of the proposed revocation. Officially, the IRS revoked the University's tax exempt status on January 19, 1976.


what are the odd's that church leaders were following this case, then asked themselves whether IRS cross hairs could be put on BYU and/or the LDS church as a whole?


I'd say more likely than not.





I do not see any compelling evidence for the church to worry about an IRS action against them based on the action in the Bob Jones University case.  That case revolved around a public interest in stopping racial discrimination in education not in the practice of religion.  While Bob Jones University was a religiously affiliated educational institution its primary purpose was education not religion.  Now if BYU was not admitting Blacks or was not admitting them based on marital status, BYU might need to worry but not the LDS.  The courts have traditionally given the direct practices of churches much more leeway than educational instituions.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 25, 2012 - 7:12PM #12
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All in all what I see here is simply proof that one need to studiously and prayerfully get one’s own testimony. We can only rely on God for that sure knowledge of gospel points. Relying on someone else’s learning would be like having your spouse eat your breakfast for you while you go out into the world expecting to be strong and healthy.


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2 years ago  ::  Apr 26, 2012 - 10:26AM #13
MysticWanderer
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Apr 25, 2012 -- 7:12PM, MMCSFOX wrote:


All in all what I see here is simply proof that one need to studiously and prayerfully get one’s own testimony. We can only rely on God for that sure knowledge of gospel points. Relying on someone else’s learning would be like having your spouse eat your breakfast for you while you go out into the world expecting to be strong and healthy.


Jesse F.


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 --Willard Gaylin, President, The Hasting Group



Very true, Jesse.  Remember, though, that we are told to first puzzle it out in our own minds as Oliver Cowdery and then ask for confirmation, not to simply expect knowledge to be poured into empty heads.


"8 But, behold, I say unto you, that you must astudy it out in your bmind; then you must cask me if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your dbosom shall eburn within you; therefore, you shall ffeel that it is right." D&C 9

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 26, 2012 - 10:11PM #14
MMCSFOX
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"Very true, Jesse.  Remember, though, that we are told to first puzzle it out in our own minds as Oliver Cowdery and then ask for confirmation, not to simply expect knowledge to be poured into empty heads."


OH DARN. But I’m retired now, so life should easier, shouldn’t it? Cool


Jesse

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 27, 2012 - 8:48AM #15
MysticWanderer
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Apr 26, 2012 -- 10:11PM, MMCSFOX wrote:


"Very true, Jesse.  Remember, though, that we are told to first puzzle it out in our own minds as Oliver Cowdery and then ask for confirmation, not to simply expect knowledge to be poured into empty heads."


OH DARN. But I’m retired now, so life should easier, shouldn’t it? Cool


Jesse





What is retired?  I am sixty, and my retirement plan is to win the lottery or diu.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 27, 2012 - 1:49PM #16
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Apr 27, 2012 -- 8:48AM, MysticWanderer wrote:



What is retired?  I am sixty, and my retirement plan is to win the lottery or diu.



Uh, I don't think you are allowed to tithe on lottery winngs, Mystic

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 30, 2012 - 2:17AM #17
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Even if the LDS Church ceased this racist policy because of not wanting to lose the BYU tax exemption,  The 1978 change was the right thing to do.  I would prefer to assign a nobler motivation to the Brethren than simply wanting to save money.  The action seemed inspired, why not leave it at that?

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