Sep 15, 2011 -- 5:46PM, Seefan wrote:

Sep 15, 2011 -- 1:28PM, Lilwabbit wrote:

The "internet" prophecy is purely Shoghi Effendi which sort of makes it even more amazing for someone who did not even claim to be anywhere near the station of a prophet. In the full passage in question Shoghi Effendi discusses the gradual unfolding of the future world commonwealth and global civilization.  

That's what I thought.  I was hoping it came more directly from Baha'u'llah.  Mentioned this on another site and about how specific the writing was.  The response was simply that others were saying the same thing in 1935 since communication was being develop at the time.  When questioned who, I was told Frank Lloyd Wright, H. G. Wells, and others.  Even Bell Co was mentioned.  I don't know these people well enough to say whether this was fluffing it off or not, nor do I have the time to do the research necessary.  Oh Well!

Thanks for responding .......

Hi Seefan, you should've challenged your fellow-debaters to provide their respective quotes for objective comparison. I've often found it useful and highly educational. Only by comparing we can establish whether H.G. Wells or Frank Lloyd Wright in fact wrote with the same specificity and, almost as importantly, in the form of a prophecy rather than a piece of fiction which they themselves considered fiction or something of a dream-like hope.

I would think that if their "prophecies" were so remarkable, we would have known more about them. The Bahá'ís, for sure, waste no opportunity to share the "internet" prophecy to the world. ;)

With kind regards,

LilWabbit

A World Assembly and Universal Language

"The time must come when the imperative necessity for the holding of a vast, an all-embracing assemblage of men will be universally realized. The rulers and kings of the earth must needs attend it, and, participating in its deliberations, must consider such ways and means as will lay the foundations of the world's Great Peace amongst men. Such a peace demandeth that the Great Powers should resolve, for the sake of the tranquillity of the peoples of the earth, to be fully reconciled amongst themselves. Should any king take up arms against another, all should unitedly arise and prevent him. If this be done, the nations of the world will no longer require armaments, except for the purpose of preserving the security of their realms and of maintaining internal order within their territories.... The day is approaching when all the peoples of the world will have adopted one universal language and one common script. When this is achieved, to whatsoever city a man may journey, it shall be as if he were entering his own home."

(Revealed in 1882, Lawh-i-Maqsúd, Tablets of Bahá'u'lláh, pp. 165-6)

Apr 12, 2012 -- 8:42AM, Mystico09 wrote:

Dear Friends,

I have recently found this thread... its great! I would love to know what people think of the following passage.

Once Varqa asked Baha'u'llah, "How will the Cause of God be universally adopted by mankind?" Baha'u'llah said that first, the nations of the world would arm themselves with infernal engines of war, and when fully armed would attack each other like bloodthirsty beasts. As a result, there would be anormous bloodshed throughout the world. Then the wise men from all nations would gather together to investigate the cause of such bloodshed. They would come to the conclusion that prejudices were the cause, a major form being religious prejudice. They would therefore try to eliminate religion so as to eliminate prejudice. Later they would realize that man cannot live without religion. Then they would study the teachings of all religions to see which of the religions conformed to the prevailing conditions of the time. It is then that the Cause of God would become universal.

~ Revelation of Baha'u'llah, vol. 4, p.56

I loook around the world and day by day see this coming a reality... defense (war) expese in some countires is ridiculously high... and continues to only get higher. is the where we are heading you think?

Welcome to the forum, Mystico ~

Man has always been beset with wars but since the arrival of Baha'u'llah, and the ensuing introduction of industrialization and then discovery of the atom, there HAS BEEN "enormous bloodshed throughout the world" as compared with the regionality of past conflicts.  Since Baha'u'llah's admonitions to world leaders in the 19th century - as He warned them - empires have fallen and wars have escalated.  It's my understanding that the world will continue in a downward spiral until man has no recourse but to (re)turn to God.

It seems that all monarchies will not disappear, nor is it Baha'u'llah's will.

Even before Baha'u'llah's declaration of His station His family and followers in Baghdad, He was regarded in the highest esteem.  

"Nor was the then representative of the British government, Colonel Sir Arnold Burrows Kemball, consul-general in Baghdad, insensible of the position which Bahá'u'lláh now occupied. Entering into friendly correspondence with Him, he, as testified by Bahá'u'lláh Himself, offered Him the protection of British citizenship, called on Him in person, and undertook to transmit to Queen Victoria any communication He might wish to forward to her. He even expressed his readiness to arrange for the transfer of His residence to India, or to any place agreeable to Him. This suggestion Bahá'u'lláh declined, choosing to abide in the dominions of the Sultan of Turkey. And finally, during the last year of His sojourn in Baghdad the governor Namiq-Pasha, impressed by the many signs of esteem and veneration in which He was held, called upon Him to pay his personal tribute to One Who had already achieved so conspicuous a victory over the hearts and souls of those who had met Him. So profound was the respect the governor entertained for Him, Whom he regarded as one of the Lights of the Age, that it was not until the end of three months, during which he had received five successive commands from Ali Pasha, that he could bring himself to inform Bahá'u'lláh that it was the wish of the Turkish government that He should proceed to the capital. On one occasion, when 'Abdu'l-Bahá and Aqay-i-Kalim had been delegated by Bahá'u'lláh to visit him, he entertained them with such elaborate ceremonial that the Deputy-Governor stated that so far as he knew no notable of the city had ever been accorded by any governor so warm and courteous a reception. So struck, indeed, had the Sultan Abdu'l-Majid been by the favorable reports received about Bahá'u'lláh from successive governors of Baghdad (this is the personal testimony given by the Governor's deputy to Bahá'u'lláh himself) that he consistently refused to countenance the requests of the Persian government either to deliver Him to their representative or to order His expulsion from Turkish territory.

(Shoghi Effendi, God Passes By, p. 130)

"The fifteenth Glad-Tidings

Although a republican form of government profiteth all the peoples of the world, yet the majesty of kingship is one of the signs of God. We do not wish that the countries of the world should remain deprived thereof. If the sagacious combine the two forms into one, great will be their reward in the presence of God.

In former religions such ordinances as holy war, destruction of books, the ban on association and companionship with other peoples or on reading certain books had been laid down and affirmed according to the exigencies of the time; however, in this mighty Revelation, in this momentous Announcement, the manifold bestowals and favours of God have overshadowed all men, and from the horizon of the Will of the Ever-Abiding Lord, His infallible decree hath prescribed that which We have set forth above.

We yield praise unto God -- hallowed and glorified be He -- for whatsoever He hath graciously revealed in this blessed, this glorious and incomparable Day. Indeed if everyone on earth were endowed with a myriad tongues and were to continually praise God and magnify His Name to the end that knoweth no end, their thanksgiving would not prove adequate for even one of the gracious favours We have mentioned in this Tablet. Unto this beareth witness every man of wisdom and discernment, of understanding and knowledge.  

We earnestly beseech God -- exalted be His glory -- to aid the rulers and sovereigns, who are the exponents of power and the daysprings of glory, to enforce His laws and ordinances. He is in truth the Omnipotent, the All-Powerful, He Who is wont to answer the call of men.  

(Baha'u'llah, Tablets of Baha'u'llah, p. 28)

"O Queen in London! Incline thine ear unto the voice of thy Lord, the Lord of all mankind, calling from the Divine Lote-Tree: Verily, no God is there but Me, the Almighty, the All-Wise!  ...

And further We said: "We make mention of thee for the sake of God, and desire that thy name may be exalted through thy remembrance of God, the Creator of earth and of heaven. He, verily, is witness unto that which I say. We have been informed that thou hast forbidden the trading in slaves, both men and women. This, verily, is what God hath enjoined in this wondrous Revelation. God hath, truly, destined a reward for thee, because of this. He, verily, will pay the doer of good, whether man or woman, his due recompense, wert thou to follow  what hath been sent unto thee by Him Who is the All-Knowing, the All-Informed.    ...

We have also heard that thou hast entrusted the reins of counsel into the hands of the representatives of the people. Thou, indeed, hast done well, for thereby the foundations of the edifice of thine affairs will be strengthened, and the hearts of all that are beneath thy shadow, whether high or low, will be tranquillized. It behooveth them, however, to be trustworthy among His servants, and to regard themselves as the representatives of all that dwell on earth. This is what counselleth them, in this Tablet, He Who is the Ruler, the All-Wise."

(Baha'u'llah, Epistle to the Son of the Wolf, p. 59)

I find it very interesting that of all the monarchs today, Queen Elizabeth II, great great granddaughter of Queen Victoria,  this year 2012 will be celebrating her Diamond Jubilee of 60 years on the throne.   Elizabeth's husband, Prince Philip, is a great great grandson of Queen Victoria, making Elizabeth and Philip third cousins through this relationship.    Of all monarchs Baha'u'llah addressed, it was only Queen Victoria who responded by sending an enquiry to Baha'u'llah, and another granddaughter of Queen Victoria, Queen Marie of Romania, who was the first monarch to recognize the mission of Baha'u'llah and aid in its teachings.  

Does it not seem that this is a divine blessing Baha'u'llah has conferred upon the British monarchy?

Mankind to suffer from its own handiwork

"O concourse of the heedless! I swear by God! The promised day is come, the day when tormenting trials will have surged above your heads, and beneath your feet, saying: 'Taste ye what your hands have wrought!'"

(Bahá'u'lláh cited by Shoghi Effendi in The Promised Day is Come, p. 81)