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3 years ago  ::  Aug 16, 2011 - 8:58AM #1
JoliverJOLLY
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As stated by a certain lady I spoke with recently, God made everyone for a reason.

Fine,  God decides on that reason, so should a person reject God, they also  then, under this new idea, reject the purpose for which God made  them. 


God and the purpose for a persons creation go together.


It is the idea that, all people have a purpose given by  god, but  that only by excepting god and so giving yourself to god, can a  person  truly fulfil that purpose for which they were created by god. 


 


God is the potter and we the clay.


 


 


It  does leave questions ofcourse such as "of those that are  hypocrites,  those that claim they serve or believe in god but in  reality actual serve themselves do not really believe in God at all  and  use religion to gain position, status, money and acclaim ect, what   more is needed?


For these people, of supposed faith, do state  they  believe in God, yet have not given their lives to him, as Jesus  would  speak of "I can only do what I see the father doing in me"  'the  vine  and the vinedresser(gardener)'.


 


 


 


So there is  ofcourse a question of giving yourself to be of use to  god, but then  also becomming open enought to understand what God is  doing with you,  the choice to comply, "As you not I, will it"


 


So one thing is to except there is a god and then the other to give yourself to him.


 


Then ofcourse there are those who do not believe in God or do believe and reject god.


 


The  point of this thread was to state that it could be possible that  while  God made us all for a purpose, only with our complience does  that  purpose truly come into effect(excepting that many who reject god  could  still end up doing things god created them for without having  faith in  him).


 


Ofcourse that grants us the freedom to choose, even if  we are with  God and serving him, a sin could then be seen in another way  also, as a  rejection of what god has asked of us if in that  position(the position  of the kingdom of god and so true life).


 


This ofcourse speaks of a personal relationship, a personal purpose and a relationship between the individual and god.


 


Also  as a Monk once said to me, "it is in the things we enjoy that  God often  shows us the path he wants us to take" Which makes sense that  our  purpose would be something we enjoy doing, Born to sing for  example.


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3 years ago  ::  Aug 17, 2011 - 3:24AM #2
Namchuck
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If there is a single question taken to be the ultimate philosophical question, it is: what is the meaning of life?


The answer is: the meaning of your life is the meaning you give it as there is no one-size-fits-all thing.


This is a very creative thing which comes about through the identification and pursuit of endeavours that your talents fit you for and your interests draw you to, together with the relationships you form in the process.


Life can be thus very rich in meaning, and not uncommonly is so.

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3 years ago  ::  Aug 17, 2011 - 12:28PM #3
JoliverJOLLY
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Aug 17, 2011 -- 3:24AM, Namchuck wrote:


If there is a single question taken to be the ultimate philosophical question, it is: what is the meaning of life?


The answer is: the meaning of your life is the meaning you give it as there is no one-size-fits-all thing.


This is a very creative thing which comes about through the identification and pursuit of endeavours that your talents fit you for and your interests draw you to, together with the relationships you form in the process.


Life can be thus very rich in meaning, and not uncommonly is so.





That's a very nice idea, maybe you could make a thread about that and leave this one alone as the meaning of life, and the purpose for which a person was created by god, are not the same thing and so that question and idea is not relevent to what this thread was about.

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3 years ago  ::  Aug 18, 2011 - 3:01AM #4
Namchuck
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Telling people that the meaning of life is what they make of it is always going to seem, at first, unhelpful. 'Ah what dusty answer gets the soul,' wrote George Meredith, 'when hot for certainties in this life!'; and we are hot to know what is really good, really worthwhile, really meaningful.


To say that meaning is made, not given, and that it is as various as the individuals willing to make it, presents meaning as hard work, not least because the business of thinking seriously about what is good, what is valuable, what one's own talents for the good are and what we should do with them, is exactly what many people do not want to engage in.

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3 years ago  ::  Aug 21, 2011 - 9:52PM #5
Myownpath
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Aug 16, 2011 -- 8:58AM, JoliverJOLLY wrote:


As stated by a certain lady I spoke with recently, God made everyone for a reason.

Fine,  God decides on that reason, so should a person reject God, they also  then, under this new idea, reject the purpose for which God made  them. 


God and the purpose for a persons creation go together.


It is the idea that, all people have a purpose given by  god, but  that only by excepting god and so giving yourself to god, can a  person  truly fulfil that purpose for which they were created by god. 


 


The  point of this thread was to state that it could be possible that  while  God made us all for a purpose, only with our complience does  that  purpose truly come into effect(excepting that many who reject god  could  still end up doing things god created them for without having  faith in  him).


Ofcourse that grants us the freedom to choose, even if  we are with  God and serving him, a sin could then be seen in another way  also, as a  rejection of what god has asked of us if in that  position(the position  of the kingdom of god and so true life).




 


This is traditional Christianity and not in alignment with New Thought principles. In New Thought, God is indwelling and not out there somewhere. Like it or not, Namchuck's view is in alignment with New Thought views. There is no black board out there somewhere say this is X's purpose. We create our reality. Life is inherently meaningless, we attribute meaning where there is none.

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3 years ago  ::  Aug 21, 2011 - 10:11PM #6
Namchuck
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Aug 21, 2011 -- 9:52PM, Myownpath wrote:


Aug 16, 2011 -- 8:58AM, JoliverJOLLY wrote:


As stated by a certain lady I spoke with recently, God made everyone for a reason.

Fine,  God decides on that reason, so should a person reject God, they also  then, under this new idea, reject the purpose for which God made  them. 


God and the purpose for a persons creation go together.


It is the idea that, all people have a purpose given by  god, but  that only by excepting god and so giving yourself to god, can a  person  truly fulfil that purpose for which they were created by god. 


 


The  point of this thread was to state that it could be possible that  while  God made us all for a purpose, only with our complience does  that  purpose truly come into effect(excepting that many who reject god  could  still end up doing things god created them for without having  faith in  him).


Ofcourse that grants us the freedom to choose, even if  we are with  God and serving him, a sin could then be seen in another way  also, as a  rejection of what god has asked of us if in that  position(the position  of the kingdom of god and so true life).




 


This is traditional Christianity and not in alignment with New Thought principles. In New Thought, God is indwelling and not out there somewhere. Like it or not, Namchuck's view is in alignment with New Thought views. There is no black board out there somewhere say this is X's purpose. We create our reality. Life is inherently meaningless, we attribute meaning where there is none.





Happy to see you back, Myownpath!

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 04, 2012 - 6:42PM #7
Bob_Bennett
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I will cite some teachings from A Course In Miracles,as channeled from Jesus from 1965 to 1973.



God created us all as spirit before time and space began, the latter existing only as part of a collective dream that we are all participating in.



"Something went wrong" and we began to believe that we had separated from God and so we put our minds to sleep and have been dreaming ever since.



OUr collecive purpose is to raise our conscious enough to waken from the dream, something that is coming ever closer with the approach of 12/22/2012.



In the meantime, we just keep reincarnating in a cyclic fashion and our current purpose is to practice true forgiveness in order to awaken from the dream.



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2 years ago  ::  Jun 05, 2012 - 3:29AM #8
Namchuck
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Jun 4, 2012 -- 6:42PM, Bob_Bennett wrote:


I will cite some teachings from A Course In Miracles,as channeled from Jesus from 1965 to 1973.



God created us all as spirit before time and space began, the latter existing only as part of a collective dream that we are all participating in.


Not every competent youur God, is he, Bob?



"Something went wrong" and we began to believe that we had separated from God and so we put our minds to sleep and have been dreaming ever since.


Well, some of us maybe, especially those, though, who advance silly beliefs without a grain of evidence.



OUr collecive purpose is to raise our conscious enough to waken from the dream, something that is coming ever closer with the approach of 12/22/2012.


How many unjustified beliefs is any one person allowed in a post on B'Net?



In the meantime, we just keep reincarnating in a cyclic fashion and our current purpose is to practice true forgiveness in order to awaken from the dream.


How about just a tiny little bit of evidence? Go on, give it a try.







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2 years ago  ::  Jun 07, 2012 - 4:20PM #9
Bob_Bennett
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To repeat the unnecessary, the info comes from the teachings o Jesus in A Course In Miracles.


It's way too complex for you to understand.


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2 years ago  ::  Jun 07, 2012 - 4:29PM #10
Sacrificialgoddess
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Jun 7, 2012 -- 4:20PM, Bob_Bennett wrote:


To repeat the unnecessary, the info comes from the teachings o Jesus in A Course In Miracles.


It's way too complex for you to understand.





Rather than too complex, I would argue that the problem is actually that it is someone else UPG.

Dark Energy. It can be found in the observable Universe. Found in ratios of 75% more than any other substance. Dark Energy. It can be found in religious extremists, in cheerleaders. To come to the conclusion that Dark signifies mean and malevolent would define 75% of the Universe as an evil force. Alternatively, to think that some cheerleaders don't have razors in their snatch is to be foolishly unarmed.

-- Tori Amos
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