| 2 years ago :: Jul 14, 2011 - 5:32PM #1 | |
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The Beast Revelation This letter is dedicated to all Christians. The following letter is a summary of Revelation 13. Its purpose is to show the method used in finding the conclusions which have been stated. Nothing new has been added from my previous letters. It is more of a compilation of them all. This writing is the same material in different words. The Bible uses this same method of explanation. There are four Gospels. In each you see a different view of the same material. This can be beneficial because the meaning becomes more exact. Although, if this is a first time reader, then this will all be news to you. With that in mind, here we go. The first thing that should be addressed when doing any study of Bible prophecy is what questions do I intend to answer. Some of these questions can seem a little simplistic, but their answers are much more complicated. In my studies there were only a few questions that I saw as needing an answer. My questions were very simple. First, who is this individual who is identified by the number 666? Second, who is the false prophet and how does he make the whole world worship the beast whose number is 666. Another question has to do with these same individuals. Could these two individuals be the same person, or for that matter Satan himself? Where is Satan during all this? That last question is very important. It actually goes straight to the answer of all the questions. Finally, when would someone expect to see these individuals on the Earth? Literally, what time frame should I see them? Those are the questions. The answers are much more involved. This narrative will attempt to show how the answers are figured out. These answers can be seen from events that happen in the nightly news. This leads me to a key, which most of us know, but most of us forget. The Bible is a history book. Some events have happened, while some are waiting to happen. It is the ones that have not happened that we are most concerned with. Here is another key. By the way, these keys I speak of are keys to understanding. The Lord spoke in parables. The reason he gave was that it was for some to know the mysteries of God, while it was for some to know not. In hearing, they do not hear. In seeing, they do not see. I compare it to telling the truth, while hiding it at the same time. Many of the parables that the Lord spoke he immediately gave an answer to. He showed how he used certain symbols and words to describe subjects and then gave their meanings. Now for the punch line. The Lord also spoke in parables that he did not identify. These parables go straight to the hidden meaning of these end times. Another key is word substitution. An example of this is a pretty well-known item from Revelation. This word substitution deals with Revelation 13:1. The beast has seven heads and ten horns. In Revelation 17 those heads and horns are defined. The heads are identified as mountains, while the horns are identified as kings. This changes the whole picture of what the beast is symbolically to what it is literally. Now Rev.13:1 can be read as follows with just the items discussed thus far. And I saw a beast rise up out of the sea having seven mountains and ten kings. That is a simple and easy word substitution. Know that this will happen many times throughout the Bible. Now, getting back to the questions. The question is, where is Satan? If this question can be answered, you can eliminate some others. Some prophecy teachers believe that Satan is the beast, or that Satan is the false prophet. This interpretation is misleading, and it also creates a stumbling block in the path to a proper interpretation. I almost always get this question. How can you know who the beast is when he cannot be revealed? 2nd Thess. Chapter 2 states that he cannot be revealed, until something is removed first. Most scholars have this part right. That is a picture of the Rapture. What they have wrong is that Satan and the beast are not the same individual. Satan cannot be revealed until after the rapture, but he is not the beast. Therefore, I can identify the beast and his false prophet. People say prove it. So I did. I told them how to understand using the keys that I have mentioned. Revelation 13 is a parable, but God is not giving the definition, or the explanation. This one is for us to figure out. Ok, so where is Satan? In the book of Job, we get a view of Satan's abilities. In one scene, he is discussing with God about Job. Question, where is God? He is in heaven. Also, in his conversation with God Satan is talking as if he knows and has seen Job. God declares that he can do whatever he wants to Job, but he was not allowed to kill him. Now we know something else about Satan. He also has access to the Earth, and can affect peoples lives. So, it appears that Satan can be everywhere he wants to be, on Earth or in heaven. We know Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven as per Revelation 12. This would further the idea that he is now in heaven. We also see Satan one other time, when he tempted Christ during his time on Earth. It says that he was taken to the wilderness to be tempted of Satan? Most people, and rightly so, have thought the wilderness to be a place on Earth, but this is a parable I believe. The Lord was in the wilderness and was tempted by Satan, but the wilderness is in heaven. This parable is read in Isaiah 35. It is the wilderness and the solitary place where the redeemed of the Lord walk. So, this last item being the most hard to prove, suffice it to say, that when Rev.12 says Satan will be cast out, he must be there in heaven to be cast out. Alright, now we can answer a couple questions. One, Satan is himself, and he is in heaven. Therefore, he is not the beast or the false prophet. These three work together, but each has his own identity. Now to dissect Revelation 13. As I have already stated, Revelation 13 is a word substitution parable. The seven heads are seven mountains and the ten horns are ten kings. Ok, we know from this description that the beast as described is a group of possibly ten countries. This brings me to another point. There are three definitions for the beast in Revelation 13. The first is a group of countries rising up out of the sea. The second is in Rev.13:11 and is a beast with two horns (kings). Remember horns are kings as per Rev. 17. Finally, there is a beast who is identified by the number 666. It is this last beast that causes all to receive a mark and that no man can buy and sell save he who has the mark, his number, or his name. There are three items here. Nowhere does it say that the mark is the number 666. This might have been a good guess 20 yrs. ago , but it is pretty hard to believe. Imagine people running around with a mark of 666 on their right hands. It sounds like a cartoon, but this is what the prophecy teachers want you to believe. Ok, another problem that sounds like a cartoon is the interpretation of the word "all." They want you to believe that no man could buy or sell if they did not worship the beast and take his mark. Interpreting the word "all" to mean everyone in the world. This is not the case. For one, we know that the beast is made up of only possibly ten countries. Everyone in this world lives in roughly 190 countries. I don't think we could possibly mean everyone. How about, all of those people concerned with the mark. Also, how do you cause all people concerned to receive a mark, and why? The most obvious way to mark everyone is at the voting booth. All people, rich and poor, small and great, or free and bond are potential voters. So, Mahmoud Abbas was elected president of the Palestinian Authority, and in the process all voters received an indelible ink mark on their right hands. This mark was to prevent double voting and corruption in the election. Ok, we have a mark. It is not 666. At this point he fits the part, but not completely. Still, there is no ready identification of 666 concerning him. This election was in January 2005. Back to Rev.13. We have seven mountains and ten kings. Prophecy teachers want us to believe that a city with seven mountains is the seat of the antichrist and he rules with ten nations. Their logical conclusion was the Europe Union and the Vatican. This started the revived Roman empire theory. This theory has been around since the reformation. It is hard to believe this charade has gone on so long. Teachers are still preaching the Revived Roman Empire. This theory had some validity before the twentieth century and now has to be eliminated. None of these teachers could have predicted the fall of the Ottoman Empire and its division into so many separate sovereign nations. Back to our word substitution. There is an interesting item here concerning the word mountains in scripture. The word mountains can have two meanings. It can be either a mountain range, or a nation. This is the hardest part of this whole exercise, trying to figure out what mountains are describing. Teachers will have you believe it is a city with seven mountains. In actual fact, mountains here are referring to nations. This also pertains to the head wound. The wound was not a literal head wound at all, but was a nation that was wounded. The beast's head or nation was wounded and was healed. This is the Palestinian Authority after the beginning of the Oslo Accords. The land that Israel possessed was now being given back to the Palestinians and the beast's nation is being healed. Ok, so now I have seven nations and ten kings, Rev.13:1. Why do I have three more kings than nations? It seems I have a king for each nation, but three left over. In Daniel in says the beast subdued three kings. These three kings don't necessarily have to be from different countries. It seems so, but is not expressly mentioned. It is another parable. The three kings who were subdued by the beast were Israeli Prime Ministers. These three Prime Ministers all served during the seven years of the Oslo Accords and were voted out of office because of terror perpetrated during Yasser Arafat's rule. Now, I am down to seven nations. These seven nations will wage war. I can easily see seven nations that will wage war here very soon; Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Iran and the Palestinian Authority or Iraq, and there opponent Israel. This is exactly the same beast that is presented in Rev.17:10, just in a slightly different appearance. There are seven kings, five are fallen. This means five kings were defeated in war. Israel is referred to the "one that is," and the one that came later is the Palestinian Authority. This is a description of Israel's war for Independence. Literally, this was the beast being born. The war in 1967 is the beast rising up out of the sea in Rev.13:1. It was the unresolved issues of this conflict that resulted in the Oslo Accords of 1993. This seven year peace treaty was confirmed by Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat. Now, there is another beast in Rev.13:11. This beast has two horns or kings. This is a picture of the Palestinian Authority after the elections of January 2006. This is when Hamas ran in the elections and won a majority in parliament. Now the P.A. was a country with two kings. Abbas was the President and Ismail Haniyeh was the Prime Minister. Here is where the problem with money came about. Western Nations did not want to donate money to a known terrorist organization so looked for a way they could still fund Abbas's P.A., but not let any money get to Hamas. This is when the number 666 identified an individual. The temporary international mechanism was adopted on June 16, 2006. This program allowed Western Nations to donate funds directly to Abbas, while bypassing Hamas. If you were a member of Fatah, or on Abbas's payroll you got paid. This is how the people were allowed to buy and sell. They received salaries, whereas before the mechanism, they had no way of getting paid from the Government. Hamas did not receive salaries. Also, Hamas did not receive the mark of the beast. They boycotted the elections for President in Jan. 2005. In conclusion, to my three beast definitions. Mahmoud Abbas fits all three definitions. He was a member of the P.A. when it was formed. He took over from Yasser Arafat after his death. He was one of the two kings of the second beast in Rev.13:11. Lastly, he is the one identified by the number 666, which could have been Arafat had he lived. Now, concerning the the false prophet. The following four verses below all refer to the false prophet, Ismail Haniyeh. Rev.13:11- and I beheld another beast coming up out of the Earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. Hamas exercised all the power of the first beast (Abbas's P.A.) because they were now an equal partner in the Government. Also, the leader of Hamas caused them to worship or honor the first beast because Hamas would not honor the first beast. The first beast was the PA without Hamas as a member. The image of the beast is what the Government of Mahmoud Abbas represented. Verse 12 does not mention the image yet, we are just informed that the false prophet caused them to worship the first beast. Verse 14 and 15 gives the details of how that worshipping or honor was to commence. An image was created of the first beast that he (the false prophet) caused to be honored. This image of the beast is three items; the recognition of Israel, the honoring of all prior Palestinian agreements, and a renunciation of terror. The last question I think that needs addressed is how do you know the timing is right? Meaning, there have been so many translations, how do you know that this one is correct? This is a question I always get asked. The answer, in my mind, is sort of a mix between two different prophecies. The first is the seven day prophecy as recorded in Genesis. It is a similtude between this and the amount of recorded time that has already happened on Earth. In the book of Peter, God says one day to him is as a thousand years. If that idea is applied to the Genesis creation, everyday that God created something one thousand years passed. Finally, on the last day he rested from his work, and his rest was one thousand years or one of God's days. This was one full week or 7000 years. After God's rest he started his work again, and he created Adam. Starting with Adam, it was approximately 4000 years to the time of Christ. Also, we know that Christ was here roughly 2000 years ago. If God was to be consistant with his one week schedule, then we could expect his day of rest to fall somewhere after the year two thousand. 4000 plus 2000 is six days and on the seventh he rested for one thousand years. This is not an exact estimate, but it can put you in the right ballpark when searching for the correct timing of Revelation. This is the estimate. The next item is more exact. Daniel 9:27 says that he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. Many in Hebrew is Rab. This was a covenant confirmed with Yitzhak Rabin. It was the beginning of land for peace, or the Oslo Accords. When you see this agreement happen you should be aware that this prophecy will last seven years. There is only one problem with this item. Prior to it happening, everyone thought that the end of the seventh year of the agreement God would return and begin his rest. Well, that did not happen. The reason was a logical misinterpretation. It just mentions that this agreement must occur along with the prophecies mentioned, not that they would all happen and end on the last day of the seventh year. This has thrown everyone watching off-course for a time. Although, this was not such a terrible mistake if the watcher could see the right answer and get his, or her perspective back. When you have these two items coinciding at the expected time, then you know Revelation can be interpreted with accuracy. The events should start happening, as they have, as I have recorded in this letter. May God bless all who read this letter. Michae1 |
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| 2 years ago :: Jul 16, 2011 - 1:33AM #2 | |
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Here is another way of looking at the Beast.
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| 2 years ago :: Aug 13, 2011 - 6:36PM #3 | |
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I am NOT evangelical, but I want to post here to guide you back to the track. First, John the Divine was writing ti first-century Christians, who were vehemently persecuted by Rome; he was NOT addressing end time Christians. If you read it with this in mind, things make more sense. The beast is a MAN, not Satan. Revelation 13:18-"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for IT IS THE NUMBER OF A MAN; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." That is, 666. Now, I have to get into a little history here. When the Revelation was written, it was an act of treason to speak against Ceaser. The Jews had also invented a "game"-a sort of code that leaders could use to encourage the flock. This game eventually morphed into Numerology. So, when John says the beast's number is 666, he is referring to the numerology code. The beast is not Satan, the beast is Nero. You can prove this for yourselves. First, dig around to find Nero's Aramaic name; John's Aramaic may not be in use today, so flag down the spelling John would have used. You will probably find an Aramaic alphabet at the same site; you will need it. Each letter has a corresponding number. Aleph, the first letter, corresponds to one. Write down allcorresponding numbers to the appropriate letter in the Aramaic rendition of Nero. You will see it is 666. Don't want to cause any problems here. Just thought you might want to know |
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| 2 years ago :: Aug 23, 2011 - 8:45PM #4 | |
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8-23-2011 I have a third theory to share. Starting in the 12 chapter instead of 13th, there seems to be a clue that although Satan and The Beast and his partner The False Prophet and their underground babylon with a small b do their evil worldwide, the persecuted Christian woman's flying somewhere on two wings of a GREAT eagle seem to me to indicate they start in America. (Another possible clue to their starting in America rather than Israel or anywhere else may very well be that one of the chapter 13 Leopard's kings-heads, of state, who all ENABLE him during their terms, is wounded but lives. The Bible does not say the Leopard Beast himself is ever raised from the dead. It's just one of the heads, of state, who gets wounded, very possibly Reagan. The Beast's "number" is 666, and I don't claim to know if that just means six letters in each name, though I do know someone heavily into masonry who has six letters in each name, maybe pretty common. Reagan has six letters in each name too. I do believe it's not until chapter 17 that these heads are called mountains, meaning standout humans, elevated somewhat higher than most. The late Coral Ridge, Fla. Presbyterian TV Minister D. James Kennedy used to say the ten horns (powers) were ten OVERLORDS, as if just maybe he knew something at was going on. Don't most of the TV Pastors say masonic New World Order is the Beast's kingdom? Isn't it the last verse of Rev. 18, or maybe 17, which says some organization (translators called it city, but it's apparently worldwide) "RULES KINGS OF EARTH". (Puppet heads of state? Reason some complain that we never really get any change with any new admin? Revelation is the Bible's bottom line, last word, to explain what is yet to come, and may have to do with something somewhat similar to ancient Rome. (NWO?) I think John's being shown all the future visions helped him realize, if he already didn't, that the Rome of his day was not going to be important at all. Rome was to be long gone by the time the things Revealed happen. Some of the OT books of prophecy help explain some things in Revelation. For instance, the woman in the last part of Rev. 12 is evidently the same one ancient Micah 4 predicted, being victimized by some voyeurs, (this is just a guess but possibly this happened in Watergating days when Nixon and Co. went to visit Golda Mier, and some of them may have visited the archeology dig at Lachish, which I read is all that's left of Lachish. That would have been about 1971 or 2 I believe. Micah says God gives humanity up, to uncleannes, some versions, voyeurism being very unclean, and makes her a tower among the FLOCK. Her house is made desolate. Of her children? Because it says but her "other" children are all that remain faithful to Christ ! Imagine how she must feel, worrying that her own children, some of them, may be lost! The two clues I've noticed, and there may be other clues also, that this whole thing starts in America, and that it's in the time of flying, are: the Rev. 12 woman flying somewhere, and the "head", one of the enablers, not the Leopard (corrupt) Beast, that was wounded but lived very possibly being Reagan. In the past haven't we been the largest and most notable and progressive Christian nation? Also grafted in as part of Israel? I don't know about now, where we rank. Don't ask me. But just the other night as I was reading wherever the Bible would fall open, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd John, it was saying the purpose of our trials and tribulations is to test us. And that people who preach their own agenda instead of Christ are Antichrists. The Beast's partner the False Prophet, for one example. If you even believe his lies, about people, and probably doctrines, teaching hatred in religion, you'll be allowed to PERISH, 2nd Thess. 2. Probably he will have studied mind control, and you'll be allowed to have your strong delusions if you choose that after having been warned by God. Anicent Daniel 7:25 and 26, he gets laws changed, and customs and times. Some Teacher of the Year in the news, was I think fired for making a comment in favor of natural marriage on Facebook, when the vile one has gotten laws about that changed. But for some reason he will be brought to court, "and none shall help him". Might the gov't FBI finally crack down on him for being a double agent or something like that? Another cross reference, somewhere in Isaiah 14, where he's called Lucifer, he's somehow destroyed his own nation. I think another ancient verse (Habakkuk?) says he uses the natural violence of the chaldeans as a COVER. Billy Graham used to call him "the lawless one", decades ago. Might he also be in a separatist denomination which denies "the harps of God" being used in worship in Revelation prove God still likes people to "play skillfully"? Might they be the group that claims Christianity is just about how to worship, when we never actually were told how an exact order of worship? Who also add-to-the-Word a prohibition, another gospel which was NOT taught originally by Jesus or the Apostles, claiming the verse about singing and making melody in your hearts means that's the only instrument we're now allowed to play. (One of the TV pastors quoted a verse claiming ancient Israelites weren't putting heart into their prayers, and isn't the NT verse also just saying put heart into the singing, even if instruments and players wouldn't be available to them for a while after leaving Temple worship? I think they're teaching for doctrines the commandments of a mere man, during Reformation competition, Alexander Campbell, but keep accusing all the other denominations behind their backs of teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. The Beastly False Prophet (AND The Beast?) accuses us of all his own faults, night and day, before the throne. For instance accuses musicians of "bragging" and I think he's the braggart in Daniel, chapter 8? "The little horn (power) with the bragging mouth". Projection, of our own guilts onto others, scapegoats, is one of the most basic psychological defense mechanisms. One more question, if you carefully read both Rev. 11 about the Two Witnesses, and the last half of Jeremiah 12 about the couple under a long seige, who've been mobbed because of the man's bullying big brothers, could they be the same? Pastors one and all seem to have stopped saying it's Moses and Elijah. Feedback welcome. There could be additional scenario's that will attract our attention and draw us to additional Biblical clues, I'm sure. For now, doesn't this pretty much fit where we seem to be right now? BTW, I think chapter 17 says The Beast, the Leopard in chapter 13, will be the 8th king, after the 7 heads, of state, who enabled him during their terms. I forget where "42 months" is predicted, and don't know if the heads are consecutive, some having more than one term, adding up to 42 YEARS. As I believe Michael pointed out in his letter, the 70 weeks of Daniel turned out to be Seventy Weeks of Years, right? Time words seem to be "code", not literal. The 1260 "days" surely aren't literal, and the few who still preach that the Trib is exactly 7 years are forgetting there has to be the terms of all the enabling heads of state, and maybe a puppet last one, or maybe they're all puppets? That city or organization "rules kings of earth", last verse of maybe Rev. 18 or 17. I'm missing the Waltons, trying to concentrat on this, being more important, and they probably will soon be replaced by The Brady Bunch, so, hope I didn't leave out anything and I wish you all a good evening and look forward to receiving notifications of new comments.
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| 2 years ago :: Aug 24, 2011 - 4:56AM #5 | |
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Next Morning After "Starting with chapter 12 instead of 13" Not saying there's anything wrong with the way a certain group worship, but The Accuser of the Brethren (Rev. 12) who accuses us night and day, deceived like Michael says by Satan may be among them. The chapter says there's a flood of words like water against the Christian woman, but earth gets tired of it and helps the woman by swallowing the flood. Nothing whatsoever with the ancient version of Rome. It's in the time of flying. She flies to another location, which is also a wilderness for her in some ways, but, OT Micah says God makes her a tower among THE FLOCK, and gives them up to uncleaness until she brings forth.....something. She can't be Mary or the church or Israel, because she flies somewhere, for one thing. Possibly she's a musician, and the Accuser team are deluded that music is wrong, possibly also simply jealous, excom-municated a famous actor/musician, probably having told some falsehood about him that elders believed. The worship group may be 99% good people, but the Beast and False Prophet, if among them, just got carried away, partly by Satan. The world invented the expression "bragging rights", possibly to defend the Woman and others like her, who probably never bragged, because The Accuser is actually the braggart, accusing others of all his own faults that he may have been criticized for. JMO. Notice the TV pastors never claim Revelation is about ancient Rome anymore, although Rome was in power temporarily when it was written. They say something LIKE ancient Rome will for a time rule. In the last chapters of Revelation, there are final warnings, a list of sins such as "that which maketh a lie", probably meaning The Accuser's causing false records about others, not understanding or not caring that Jesus said Do unto others only as you would want done unto you. There were plenty of previous books of the NT to deal with ancient Rome, but even they didn't consider it important enough, knew it was very temporary. I have to say vehemently, Revelation is certainly NOT about ancient Rome! It's last words to us, to prepare us, that we're really going to need. John was shown a vision of "those that were beheaded "(literally?) for The Word. Does our Psalm 91 protection still apply except for a few martyrs? The purpose of Satan's Trib is to test us, our "final exam" like in school. "...and all liars, will have their part in the lake of fire. "Revelation is not to scare us but to prepare us" someone said, I forget where. One of the dire warnings in Revelation is to not add to or take away anything from The Word. If we try to say it was just to ancient Rome, or about ancient Rome, aren't we taking away? Again, in case this helps anyone, notice, the preachers are no longer saying it's about ancient Rome but maybe something LIKE ancient Rome. Actually the verse about some city or organization "which rules kings of earth" must have already been in place a long time. Revelation starts out describing seven churches, notice, which they certainly didn't have in ancient Rome! And even Micah in the OT mentions THE FLOCK. It's about the End Times.
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| 2 years ago :: Oct 09, 2011 - 10:36AM #6 | |
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The 6th head of the beast was pagan Rome. The 7th head of the beast was Islamic conquerors who trampled Jerusalem underfoot for 1260 years a s prophesied. The 8th head was Hitler whose Third Reich (of Rome) is the third six of the 666 trilogy. |
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| 2 years ago :: Oct 14, 2011 - 3:25PM #7 | |
In my opinion, I don't view any portion of your comment as being correct. I once asked a man, "how much of your interpretation has to be correct for you to be satisfied you are teaching God's word correctly." There are hundreds of people watching and reading your words, and doing just as you, repeating them. People are learning from you. That makes you responsible for them in some way. So the answer to my question, as far as I'm concerned, must be at least 90%. Almost everything you interpret must be nearly flawless, or you are misleading the people. What do you suppose will happen to those people who read your words and get confused? That remains to be seen. I think you have some responsibility in being correct in your words. If not, then consequences will ensue. I mean, if you expect to receive treasure for the good things you do for Jesus, then you can also expect to receive punishment for the wrong things. That's where my thinking takes me. I don't think too many people take this as serious as they should. It's not time for errors. We're almost to the finish line. Michae1 |
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| 2 years ago :: Oct 15, 2011 - 7:26AM #8 | |
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Good morning, Michael 1, I agree with your first paragraph above. But I believe the bear feet are only in Daniel, not Revelation, and that John was talking about the then-future, not present or past, which was ALREADY DOCUMENTED, NO REASON FOR HIM TO GO OVER IT AGAIN. The only possible connection to Rome might be that organization ("city") which RULES KINGS OF EARTH may, or may not, have been in existence even before Rome. In psychology classes we learned that men tend to gang up, (women tend to have only one or two closest friends) so that masonry (?) may have been in existence almost from the beginning. (And may be, or become, antiChristian.) A masonic symbol was found on the wall of a cave under Golgotha, I read somewhere. No proof as to WHEN it was put there, of course. There's lots more to your post, sp I'll have to close this reply and go back to read the rest, it's so wordy. John doesn't have to predict Rome, remember. It was already there and known about at the time of his exile and his writing, and probably he would not be trying to aggravate his captors, maybe get himself killed. Maybe they were even supposed to be flattered, if they got hold of his scroll or scrolls, that he was writing about things worse, farther off timewise and locationwise, than them, just speculating, as you are. We've HAD most of the "heads", including the ONE who was wounded but lived, a signal that it probably doesn't mean we'll ever be attacked by 7 or 8 nations, unless maybe nuclear by the terrorists. Prophecies can sometimes have more than one meaning, I meant to say earlier. The 8th king "is" the beast. Some of the TV preachers have speculated masonic NWO, also say false religion. Those two words aren't specifically spelled out in Revelation, though it may be true. What's your opinion on that?
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| 2 years ago :: Oct 15, 2011 - 9:32AM #9 | |
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Quoting Michael-1 "It was only natural for a Jew to go back to this picture of the beastly empires when he wished to find a picture of another satanic empire threatening God's people in his own day.....................These stand for the rulers and the emperors of Rome. Since Augustus, the first Roman Emperor, there had been seven emperors; Tiberius, A.D. 14-37; Caligula, A.D. 37-41; Claudius, A.D. 41-54; Nero, A.D. 55-68; Vespasian, A.D. 69-79; Titus, A.D. 79-81; Domitian, A.D. 81-96. These seven emperors are the seven heads of the beast. ...............But in addition it is said that the beast had ten horns. The explanation of this second figure lies in this. After the death of Nero there was a short period of almost complete chaos. In eighteen months three different men briefly occupied the imperial power, Galba, Otho and Vitellius. They are not included in John's list of the seven heads but are included in the list of the ten horns." The TV pastors used to teach this theory, Michael, except about any list of the ten horns, which I don't believe you'll find in Bible. The late Presbyterian D. James Kennedy, who during the shortlived "Moral Majority" days said the 10 were "Overlords", just may have KNOWN something, especially if he was one of the three "Moral Majority" founders, along with Baptists Charles Stanley and Jerry Falwell. I forget if Kennedy was the 3rd one. TV preachers may also know a lot more by now, maybe about NWO takeover, and haven't been repeating your theory for quite some time, gradually started saying "Something LIKE Rome", but would John, already in Rome's custody, have risked his life by writing about them when he still had SUCH a mission, as secretary for God's Final Word? Terrorism by muslims may already be a lot bigger deal than Rome ever was. A 1/4 of earth's population will be killed at the sounding of one of the trumpets, one was saying just last night, and later on another 1/3, totalling 1/2 of earth's population. At least you've used one CROSS REFERENCE, Daniel. There's lots more, for just about everything. "All scripture is profitable." Most of them have mentioned masonic NWO, and a false religion taking over. I don't remember seeing "false religion" in The Book, actually. Do you? Taking the mark of the Beast might mean going along with HIS false religion, of course. He's infiltrated religion and gov'ts, fooling 7 heads of state. 2nd Cor. 11:14, Satan's in religion posing as one of the messengers (angels) of light. The Revelation summary is "Not to scare us but to PREPARE us" for the real Trib, to which no ancient Rome or emporers can begin to compare, and, since John was already in Roman custody, would he risk his life when he still had SUCH a big job to do? Surely he knew they might find his scroll or scrolls. He's talking about the future, and if the people could understand the first time it happened, without any history, they still could, without any REVIEW of history. We are to just pray for wisdom and understanding, James 1. Daniel spoke of 4 beasts, which do not appear again in Revelation, where we're down to the last one, more terrible, actually two people usually spoken of as one. The False Prophet may be a lot more talkative, The Beast in an extremely secretive underground organization, which may be "Propaganda Two", if we can believe anything from tabloids at the time of actress Grace Kelly's fatal accident. Jesus said Count it all joy when we're badmouthed, apparently because they notice we're Christians. A neighbor of Mine who's been a Sunday School teacher, as have I, lost her husband who was out walking in the neighborhood and was accidented. You can still google "Masons Stole My House" by a woman in England who was accidented and not expected to live, don't know if there's any recent update. England's version of Register of Deeds had a lot of masonic employees, she said failed to pay a $20 fee they were supposed to. Guess she'd given them the $20. We've had a deed copy stolen from Safety Deposit, by someone forging my husband's name, 1983. He went to Register of Deeds and got another Certified Copy. Based on prophecy in ancient Micah 2, and google info that 66% of our homeless currently are homeless, I'm sort of watching for a forged Quit Claim. "They say" many policemen are into masonry, and they claimed my theft report, for which I have the number, didn't exist. Bush Sr. once said "The church can do anything it wants", not really true, but there's an organization that "rules kings of earth", last verse of Revelation 17 or 18. Not presuming to accuse anyone, but we know at least one person heavily into masonry and a separatist church, one of those that claims to be the only one and might want to rule the world, who happens to have six letters in each name, as Reagan, pretty obviously one of the heads, did. Hope this person who gave me such compliments in church college yearbook hasn't turned into any Beast. You say "Three of those kings are subdued by the beast," and I say very possibly the so-called "Moral Majority" may have been the three who were temporarily toad-like. Daniel also prophesied about "70 weeks", which turned out to be "weeks of years", and is over and done with, as the statue probably is. We never hear the experts making it relevant any more. ,,,,"Five of the toes are made of iron. These are the hostile Muslim nations that make up the rest of the ten toes. These are Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq or the P.A. and Israel. Israel must be included in the beast because there is no beast if there is not a conflict. Everytime there was a beast, it was Israel and some other country. In other words, for a beast to exist there must be a conflict, and Israel is always involved. ".......... You must have overlooked that I've acknowledged Israel is being terrorized, and that there will be a final attack on them ! I'm praying that those being brought back from foreign lands will not be killed. ("Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.") Thanks for the compliment that people are reading and studying my words. Maybe. But admonishing me to be correct I'm frankly afraid is awfully arrogant. Nobody knows everything. The Christian WOMAN who some say is another Esther, of Micah 4 and Revelation 12, is endorsed as CORRECT, in, I think w/out actually looking it up right now, the last verse. She's made a tower among the FLOCK, and "mother" of ALL who pass the final loyalty exam, her own children having made her house desolate, maybe due to her own warnings that someone was causing broken relationships and loss of jobs, rather than their actually taking the mark of the Beast, going along with his false doctrines, "giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons". In 2nd Thess. 2 we're warned not to believe him, on pain of death, with "strong delusions". He may have studied Mind Control. May be a spy. Somewhere in, I think, Ezekiel, maybe in the 30's or 40's chapters, it says nobody can keep any secrets from him. To survive, and remember, someone at this forum has said, Revelation is Not to scare us but to PREPARE us, I think we need to concentrate on the now and future. Daniel says he, The Beast, will be hauled into court, eventually "and NONE SHALL HELP HIM." Daniel 7:25, 26. Wish he'd said whether the gov't brings him to court, ("a judgement shall sit", or if it has to be the Woman, who's to beat in pieces many people, but probably fears for her family and herself, at least until she knows more details of what people are probably hinting to her through the decades of the enabling heads of state. Notice I never left out Israel. Jay Seculow and others have always seemed to leave out America, but we're much involved. The Woman flies to a new location on two wings of a GREAT eagle. We're an Eagle nation, and pretty great, and have "heads", of state, and I could probably think of a few more clues like that. BTW, the Rev. 12 Woman can't be Mary, or the whole church, or Israel, because for one thing she's in the age of flying and other technology, and none of those could fly anywhere, but "her house is made desolate", etc. Earth helps her about the Opposer/Accuser's slander, probably by inventing the term "bragging rights". He is probably in the 2nd Chronicles 7:14 group which needs to humble THEMSELVES instead of instrumental musicians and other denominations, which have some "wicked ways", since letting him take over with his accusations behind the scenes in religion (Heavenly) circles. "They overcame him, by the Blood of the Lamb, and by The Word of their testimony, loving not their lives, to the death." (Inserted some coma's and caps there which aren't in original, so don't know if I should really have used quote marks. Just remember, a WOMAN, though we don't know yet exactly who she is, happens to be the one endorsed in the Bible as RIGHT, a tower among the FLOCK. Probably still worried half to death about her own original children. God gives them (the nation or world) up to UNCLEANESS, some versions of Micah, until she brings forth something. Prophecies can sometimes have more than one explanation, so, imho just maybe that phrase also refers to the birth of Christ, because later on in Micah, doesn't it say This man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian comes in? The modern flying Woman may be in a sense another Mary, which I guess would not contradict anything. There's no real contradictions in the Bible. Have a good day.
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I left out a detail that's probably important. The Enemy is "the little horn with the bragging mouth" of Daniel 8, accusing others of bragging, and projecting onto others all his own faults. I've heard that he accuses a woman musician of THINKING she's the world's only one "show her", as if he can know what she's thinking, and you'd be surprised how many would fall for this propaganda. He was just never around any musicians, when he was growing up. Accuses her of bragging, because people have accused him of it, but probably she was able to keep being a paid musician, and people said she had bragging rights. Yesterday I saw a little of A&E's "Criminal Minds", where CIA people were accusing some of their own of being OVERACHIEVERS, with 200 IQ's. Fiction, I know, but wish I'd seen more of it, Oct. 14, 2011, about 3:00 to 4:00 pm. He may have accused the musician woman of bragging that she had a 200 IQ, but remember, schools would never tell us what our IQ was. A person with spy tendencies might be able to find out (?) Or just made it up. He teaches hatred instead of love in the House of His God. Is not to ever be believed.
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