Jul 7, 2011 -- 11:06PM, JoliverJOLLY wrote:

As stated by a certain lady I spoke with recently, God made everyone for a reason.

Fine, God decides on that reason, so should a person reject God they also reject the purpose God made them for. 

Discuss...

Food for thought 

It might be a good thing that there is no compelling evidence that there is such a being as God, as that would leave us free to create our own reasons and purposes in life.

Maybe this is why God, if he exists at all, wants to stay out of the picture so that we can enjoy the freedom to be creative.

Jul 12, 2011 -- 9:05PM, JoliverJOLLY wrote:

 

Yes to a degree that is correct if god showed himself, people would not have to question, by staying out of the picture, or acting in wispers, and softly God allows people freedom to choose to think, to express thier rejection or exceptence etc..

Well, it's highly questionable that he/she/it even "whispers", and the 'freewill' argument has never carried any weight with me.

Afterall, according to the New Testament, even some of the angels rebelled against God, so it's obvious that even possessing blatant and obvious knowledge of God's existence would not in any way imperil or curtail the use of one's will or agency. On that score, your point collapses utterly.

On top of this, there is the irreducible fact that the God hypotheses has no epistemological value. We don't need it today to explain a thing.

Jul 14, 2011 -- 7:34PM, williejhonlo wrote:

By reason, I'm supposing you mean destiny. If so, you would achieve that destiny without fail. I believe he creates the human form for the soul to use like a "key" to get out of jail card. It's up to us to use it for that purpose though, that's when free will enters the picture.

'Reason' can mean a lot of things, but one of them isn't "destiny".

But in light of what else you claim in this post, williejhonlo, do you believe in contra-causal freewill?

Jul 13, 2011 -- 2:32AM, Namchuck wrote:

Well, it's highly questionable that he/she/it even "whispers", and the 'freewill' argument has never carried any weight with me.

Afterall, according to the New Testament, even some of the angels rebelled against God, so it's obvious that even possessing blatant and obvious knowledge of God's existence would not in any way imperil or curtail the use of one's will or agency. On that score, your point collapses utterly.

On top of this, there is the irreducible fact that the God hypotheses has no epistemological value. We don't need it today to explain a thing.

Well thank you for your comments you do not believe in God existence anyway, that's is a hurdel you will have to over come really.

Maybe you should read a little it is the old testament and the older scriptures that speak of the rebellion of angels, even tho some are not included in the old testament as held by the church, within the new testament there are a few mentions of that, in a few letters. 

I certainly wasn't suggesting that being aware of god or not would not change free will if God has given you that- It's what you do with that free will that is the issue "With Pride the angels fell".

As to the God hypothesis:

The scientist "The man that understood nothing, till there was nothing left to understand" 

Hypotheses don't explain anything anyway.

Jul 22, 2011 -- 10:54AM, JoliverJOLLY wrote:

Well thank you for your comments you do not believe in God existence anyway, that's is a hurdel you will have to over come really.

Maybe you should read a little it is the old testament and the older scriptures that speak of the rebellion of angels, even tho some are not included in the old testament as held by the church, within the new testament there are a few mentions of that, in a few letters.

I certainly wasn't suggesting that being aware of god or not would not change free will if God has given you that- It's what you do with that free will that is the issue "With Pride the angels fell".

As to the God hypothesis:

The scientist "The man that understood nothing, till there was nothing left to understand"

Hypotheses don't explain anything anyway.

I have read the scriptures more than most Christians I have met. Anyway, your assertion remains false.

The sons of God or Angels and the sons of Adam are the same inasmuch as they are all mythological.

As to the God hypothesis, there are several such hypotheses. Can you advance any compelling evidence that your preferred deity is anything more than an hypothesis?