| 2 years ago :: May 12, 2011 - 6:58PM #1 | |||
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The Dalai Lama describes the 2nd verse of training the mind as:
www.dalailama.com/teachings/training-the... "Whenever I interact with someone, May I view myself as the lowest amongst all, And, from the very depths of my heart, Respectfully hold others as superior." Can somebody please explain to me how lowliness works in Buddhism? How do you have lowliness and still value yourself enough to have great value which Budhissm realizes? How do you have high self esteem while a lowly attitude? The Dalai Lama describes lowliness as not lowering self esteem? How is this possible to view yourself as smaller and more inferior than others and not feel bad about yourself? Any Buddhist know any more than me about this verse? |
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| 2 years ago :: May 13, 2011 - 4:47AM #2 | |||
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G'day amendelo:
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| 2 years ago :: May 13, 2011 - 8:08AM #3 | |||
This verse is a Training Rule for the Development of Compassion. If the Dala Lama holds on to the Notion that he is the Spiritual Leader and the Political Leader of Tibet, then his compassion is tainted with 'Selfish Conceit'. Conciet is a Fetter which binds one to the Wheel of Eternal Rebirth in Samsara. Viewing others as superior is an act of 'Self-Abnegation'. When the Self is Negated, Selfless Compassion is realised. Compassion is 'Developed' by the removal of Hindrances and Fetters which blind our mental vision. |
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| 2 years ago :: May 13, 2011 - 1:45PM #4 | |||
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Unfortunately, I am still confused. Where is the self esteem come into place when you continually put others as better than you. Saying I am not that great at this, look at all the others. If you do not believe you have value in your actions and words and attitudes, how far can you go in life, who will listen to you. The Dalai Lama must believe in his worth incredibly for people to listen to him, otherwise who would listen to words which are not valued by their speaker. In saying others are so great, they speak so much better than me, my words are not that great, I am not that great at cooking, look at all the others, and applying this train of lowering thought to all your actions, you learn humility but lose self worth and value. Without self value, your skills are as great as you think they are, nothing. You may still have the confidence in terms of belief in your ability to be succesful with this train of thought, but lose the self esteem of believing in the recognition of your worth, talents and attributes. Only with the self esteem of recognizing your worth, talent and attributes, can you really be very successful in life, as you must value yourself to live up to your worth and for others to believe in your worth as a human. Sorry for my confusion, I am trying to understand. The Dalai Lama said this second verse is not suppose to lower self esteem, but I do not see how it would not. How do you view yourself as lower while still have high esteem? |
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| 2 years ago :: May 13, 2011 - 2:03PM #5 | |||
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It's a good question, Amendelo. Honestly, I'm not sure what the DL is trying to say in your quote. In his comparison of animals and humans, he seems to be saying that while humans have greater capability, animals act with better motives. By saying that, he isn't devaluing human capability.
I hope that helps a little bit. :-) |
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| 2 years ago :: May 13, 2011 - 2:19PM #6 | |||
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That was very helpful Ren Galskap, it is nice to learn that he does not devalue himself which would lesson his potential to serve others, as it takes belief in yourself to accomplish great things. I think I was looking at humility wrong as I was seeing lowering as devaluing yourself and raising others up, so I guess that poses the question of how does one have a high value in one's beliefs, actions, opinions, and worth, while using this second verse for training the mind? |
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| 2 years ago :: May 14, 2011 - 1:05AM #7 | |||
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amendelo: You seem interested in self esteem. That is best discussed in the Spirituality & Mental Health forum. |
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| 2 years ago :: May 14, 2011 - 4:17PM #8 | |||
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Great Idea, I will check out that thread. Someone told me yesterday a definition of humility. Humility is not needing to exalt yourself. What for because you are already worth it, and you do not need to show off your successes. |
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| 2 years ago :: May 15, 2011 - 5:54AM #9 | |||
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The Dhammapada (the words of the Buddha) has lengthy discussion about morality and spiritual behavior. These are core beliefs that pervade all Buddhist paths. Here is one link to the text of the Dhammapada online:
If you Google, "Dhammapada + humility" - you will probably find a link that lists passages within the Dhammapada about humility. You could do the same with all spiritual virtues... - peace, patience, kindness, morality, compassion, goodness, etc. etc. etc. ---- and passages from the Dhamapada will come up with the Buddha's words about the various spiritual virtues.
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| 2 years ago :: May 15, 2011 - 3:47PM #10 | |||
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Wow Great Idea!!! |
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