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3 years ago  ::  Oct 28, 2010 - 7:24PM #11
Adelphe
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Issa,


sheesh--I DID IT AGAIN!!!


I don't know why I keep doing it on this board.  I don't do it on others.  The buttons for me as mod are in the same place they are usually as just a poster and so I guess I'm hitting the "edit" post button instead of the "quote" post.


Just to recap, Issa explained he was an Orthodox Christian, a Catholic cantor, raised (or studied) Baptist theology, and has a lot of liturgical contact with monotheist Hindus (did I get that right, Issa?)


He said he was interested in the OP, in this discussion in general, in developing or following philosophical/systematic thought as relates these things, and then asked for an explanation of Pelagianism, Semi-Pelagianism, and Arminianism in laymen's terms.


(Sorry!!!...Embarassed)


 

Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason, my conscience is captive to the Word of God. I cannot and I will not retract anything, for to go against conscience would be neither right nor safe.  Here I stand.  I can do no other.  God help me.  Amen.
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3 years ago  ::  Oct 28, 2010 - 9:42PM #12
Adelphe
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Ah!  Retrieved Issa's original post:


Oct 28, 2010 - 12:35PM
Issabhandhu12
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Hi Folks,

 

Adelphe, I like the original post and would like to join the discussion.  I'm unfamiliar with some words.  Could you please put, in layman's-terms, the meaning of;

 

Pelagianism

Semi-Pelagianism

Arminianism

 

I am an Orthodox Christian, a Roman Catholic cantor, born in the Salvation Army, raised myself Missionary Baptist, and have had close liturgical ties with mono-theistic Hindus.

So, like you guys, I'm eager to see if things mesh together in a sensible philosophical way.

 

ys,  Issa..



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Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason, my conscience is captive to the Word of God. I cannot and I will not retract anything, for to go against conscience would be neither right nor safe.  Here I stand.  I can do no other.  God help me.  Amen.
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3 years ago  ::  Nov 03, 2010 - 11:42PM #13
Xapisma
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As everyone knows, the only true orthodox (and Orthodox) position is semi-Pelagian.

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 09, 2010 - 2:27PM #14
Adelphe
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Nov 3, 2010 -- 11:42PM, Xapisma wrote:


As everyone knows, the only true orthodox (and Orthodox) position is semi-Pelagian.





I actually heard one Eastern Orthodox put it, "I prefer the term semi-Augustinian", LOL.


Anyway, as this is not a debate board, I...simply disagree.  Tongue out


Comments as to why it's orthodox?

Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason, my conscience is captive to the Word of God. I cannot and I will not retract anything, for to go against conscience would be neither right nor safe.  Here I stand.  I can do no other.  God help me.  Amen.
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3 years ago  ::  Nov 10, 2010 - 7:06PM #15
Xapisma
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Well, semi-Pelagian accounts for both human free will (we can chose to accept or reject God's offer) while accounting for our inability to "earn" salvation. Salvation is a gift freely offered by God and freely accepted by humans.


Love cannot be compulsary. Nor can it be conditional. Love simply is.

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2 years ago  ::  Feb 26, 2011 - 7:41PM #16
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That's helpful, especially in shedding light on the differences between Arminianism and Roman Catholicism. I've been trying to figure out what the differences are, but since--as alluded above--there are several different threads of RCC thought, I could quite work out what a Trent-centric account would be. I don't think the boat account given quite takes into account Vatican II and the possibility of baptisms of bloof or desire, though; it makes being saved sound a lot harder than it probably really is.

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