| 3 years ago :: Nov 13, 2010 - 3:46AM #11 | |
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Hi, Everyone, I just now found this forum is still active, from a 2008 bookmark. Great! Quoting Miami Ted, "As I said in my opening, there are a lot of various 'interpretations/understandings' regarding the great Revelation of our Lord. Many believe that the entire vision is still of a future time, but I'm more of a mind that the vision was given to John prior to the fall of Jerusalem and as a revelation of Jesus it tells all about him from the beginning of the church age, to the end of it. For the readers in the first century, yes it would have pretty much all been future unfulfilled prophecy, but as the years have progressed since then, many of the prophecies have been fulfilled.".......... Prophecies can sometimes have more than one meaning, imo, so that both those who believe this is still in the future in 2010 and those who believe like you that it's a summary of the church age. Not only that, but in the very fascinating book of Micah, there's a prophecy of a woman conspired against by some voyeurs at Lachish, which no longer exists, I hear, except for an archeology dig. This may have happened more than once (?), but one theory is that possibly when Nixon visited Golda Mier, these men just may have been in his entourage, or, they may have gone there afterwards or at some other time. (I may know of a case where all the things in Re 12 happened to a Christian woman, by some strange coincidence, don't know if anyone's ever noticed that the first few chapters of Micah could be a cross reference. It's a long story. ) They may have been in one of the spy agencies, wanting to test out some new technology, when she was going to have some surgery, and may have all known each other from college. Someone possessed by Satan is in religion, we know from 2nd Cor. 11:14, POSING AS one of the messengers (angels) of light. He's a/k/a many names, "the accuser of the brethren", and of this modern-I-think woman, with a flood of words like water, "the vile one", "the beast", etc., and we know it's in the time of flying, because she goes to her new place on two wings of a GREAT eagle. There are other nations with an eagle mascot, but ours I think is the greatest. During the Tribulation, and btw, the Bible nowhere says "seven years", someone pointed out at another forum, "He corrupts men with flattery". Probably told the tourist guys they had a right to "look upon" this Christian woman, who the Bible says he wants to get rid of. It says "He shall give him the daughter of women, but she will not be for him," or "on his side". Whoever even believes his lies will perish, we're told, with strong delusions. (They can't be un-brainwashed? Maybe some can?) 2nd Thess. 2. The 1260 days? Of course I don't claim to know for sure, but do you remember that the seventy weeks of Daniel were not literal weeks? I think the "time, times, and half a time" certainly aren't any literal three and a half years either. That his seven or eight heads enabling him are heads of state. (Help me figure this out so it fits Re 12, Re 13, Re17, please. This seems so clear until it finally says the 8th head or king is the beast? So aren't the 1260 days probably the "time, times, and half a time"? In Micah she's COMMANDED to rise and begin to thresh, can't just forgive them, and notice that it says God gives them over to uncleaness (voyeurism, etc.?) until she that is in travail brings forth. (Possibly also meaning Israel, until Christ's birth, I know some of you are going to say, and you're probably right, but also the woman might be in travail trying to figure out all the legal details of this "great falling away", involving others since besides the ones against her, of course, and who to see, what to do, to try to bring them back from the edge. Just as our childhood bullies used to say "You're crazy!" when reported to the teacher, I believe he tells that any complainants are "paranoid". There was a campaign after the JFK murder, about Conspiracy Theories being paranoid, where I, like Shakespeare, tend to say "Methinks they complain too much." I did read some of the books. Bert Sugar, investigative reporter, seems to be still alive but working on other things. As some of you have said, meanings of prophecies will become clearer as more and more are fulfilled. In the case of the woman I know, the beast suspect intruded into a hospital delivery room when her son was born, who got recruited into the military and became a pilot, was in Desert Storm and all that, not flying his A-10 but on the ground as a liason officer. Was he being set up? As you know, it only lasted four days and he's still alive and well, a true believer, so, in that sense "caught up to God and to His throne", stated partly to reassure his mother, possibly, and for other reasons. She is not on the side of the false doctrines beast, teaching hatred in the house of his God, "the little horn with the bragging mouth" of Daniel (8?) accusing others of bragging, and of his other own faults, and so, she, like another Mary, becomes mother of all that remain faithful during the hour of temptation, see very last verse of Re12. At one forum, a guy said maybe God's using her in a special way. Several places in the OT though, God says through the prophets that for her injury He is hurt. (Underline was supposed to go under He.) Not only was her music career mostly destroyed, but this accuser was also in the area when a very successful and famous singer/actor was excommunicated, probably will never really find out what was told about him. The Charismatics were glad to have him join them. He'd baptized people in his swimming pool, was eating and drinking with sinners, for one thing, like Jesus Himself did and got criticized by the Pharisees. Somewhere in Ezekiel, where I believe he's called something like Tyra, (not a place in this case) it says nobody can have any secrets from him. I'm afraid he told a huge lie about my perfect saint father and had his vital medicine withdrawn in a hospital. My mother was puzzling over a doctor seeming "angry". Someone hinted he may have told that I was molested, certainly not true. My father was an unusually good man. There's no telling how many prophecies have happened to how many people. And "her house is made desolate" also came true in at least this one case, her children not visiting as she gets older. I'm even wondering if she and her husband could be the couple in Jer. 12 and also the Two Witnesses of Re 11 Who knows if their miracles are literal ones, or if guilty parties fearing exposure just feel they're turning the water into blood and like that? So far I've only been able to read about half this thread, diabetic eyes gave out, so maybe tomorrow I'll finish it and see if there's anything I left out where my theory might be helpful. I'm not saying it's the whole answer, just probably part of it. The woman is more important than men would want to think, and you never hear of any of the pastors noticing the Micah prophecies about her. Could be the turning point after the great falling away is her victory, becoming "a dove with wings of silver and gold". In Daniel 7 we're told he gets laws changed. We can't "out" a spy even if we knew for sure. The Holy Spirit shall lead you into all truth, but how?
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| 2 years ago :: Aug 24, 2011 - 8:05AM #12 | |
Micah says, inspired by God, that God gives them up (to uncleaness, some versions, voyeurism being very unclean) until she that is in travail brings forth....figures something out? An End-times recovery from the 2nd Thess. 2 great falling away? Is she, or, hopefully the government, the one who finally hauls the Accuser into court, Dan. 7:25,26, where "none shall help him"? For illegal spying, or for, as Isaiah 14 suggests, his having somehow destroyed his own nation? (One of the assasination books I read years ago said records are sealed for many years and even the FBI won't do anything. Might something come to light sooner that would change that situation? Maybe if we prayed for it? Although I realize God's plans are not changeable. ) God makes her a tower AMONG THE FLOCK, and we had no flocks before the NT, so this is evidently End Times. Has anyone here studied ancient Hebrew and is there any word that translators could have used other than Flock? Grant Jeffries says Jews who've returned to their land are learning and speaking the ancient language now, btw. Just my tentative opinions, always. As the predictions are fulfilled, we may have to adjust some of ours, no problem.
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