Feb 8, 2011 -- 6:24PM, Bob_Bennett wrote:

Gary:

The Course is not a mixture of anything; it is its own thing.

The major use of what you call Christian symbols is meant to demonstrate the continuity of the present teacher, Jesus, with prior sources of scripture, the Jewish bible and the New Testament.

 

What you call 'Nihilism' is a philosphy and it is not part of the Course.  In here, the world is seen as nothing more than a mental projection from our consciousness that is taking place within a dream, and as such, can not have any meaning.

In pure non-dualism, the universe does not exist at the God level.

Lets just look breifly at what you just said about non-dualism.
What you just said is the core of christian dualism.
As in god and physical reality are seperate.
You got your one thing "god level" Then you have your seperate "not god level".
And the two things form a fixed  DUALITY of opposites.
Good and Evil if you will. Right thoughts and wrong thoughts.
The idea that ACIM is non dualistic is absurd to the point of being an outright distortion.
Like i said it's an understandable distortion but not a very elevated one.
just a run of the mill first tear thinking confusion common to most forms of christianity.

I will state this another way that is more in keeping with reality and the actual meaning of non dualism. In actual non dual thinking  there is no difference between the unity of god and
the seperation we see around us every day. The universe exists this much is obvious and to say otherwise IS to deny an obvious reality BUT the seperation itself is illusory.
In true non dual awareness I am not seperate from the tree but paradoxically I AM seperate from the tree also. That is what it feels like to have non dual awareness.
In this non dual awareness the notion that something within the one has no meaning is an absurdity of wildly dualistic folly (everything by definition is within the one for there is no outside and there is no two) Even things that are and things that are not are the same one thing.

Feb 8, 2011 -- 6:24PM, Bob_Bennett wrote:

 

 

You speak will of your insights... Howevr  for the life of me I cannot understand why you want to belittle the efforts of the course to ultimately teach as much.

What is your goal if indeed you beleive what you say..you are one and the same with all that you experience... is experience meant to be  served in conflict?    The course contends it is but to know Peace  is what we seek... because as you say, and the course teaches, 'we will find what we seek' and we seek what we love, and what we love we seek....  Do you seek conflict?   Or do you love True so much, you have come to possess it? To defend it?

The course teaches whether we know it or not we are teaching what we know... if we find ourselves always in conflict, perhaps we reexamine our motives, if indeed we feel we have found the truth.

j

 

lets see -- goal or motivation.

this is a good question that deserves an answer.

I attempt to nudge the stuck. That is my goal.  People who a get stuck at the level the course is written on  are important because you have gotten that far. So if just one person reads what i write and drops the close minded stance then the time wasted on my part is 100% worth it.  I also feel that the course represents a level of close mindedness and stuck sort of retreat and entrenchment away from reality that it can be dangerous for the overall. I have also read and studied the ideas presented in the couse as they have appeared throught modern human history and it never turn out so good. When people start getting high on feelings of omnipotence to fill voids in their lives very bad things can and often do happen. I am the voice in the wilderness sounding that warning. The next step for you guys is a big one. getting stuck where you are and hiding in fantasy is a bad thing full of dangeous pitfalls for society in general. I also believe that the course represents certain mental dysfunctions that i could explain better given more time. Basically it is in part a dysfunctional coping mechanism for broken symbol making systems in the brain. health is always better than not health yes? Too much change too fast in human society cause broken symbol making. As an example in our society we say we believe in "families" but very few of us actually have a real loving family. If we actually all had loving healthy family structures we wouldn't go around talking about how we "believe" in families and family values.

conflict well yes i guess that is true.

I also have no problem with conflict as i have a nondualistic viewpoint in general and do not divide my experiences into good and bad and  peace and conflict. Again that way of thinking is dualistic. healthy apropriate  conflict is obviously quite important  and is as important to me as love and peace and anger and fear and all the rest of it.   I am not interesting in choping the world and everything in it into two halves. The half i like and the half i don't like. I like it all. And at the same time some things i do not choose to like and do not like. paradox is not a problem for me either.

I do not like the course in miracles for instance and speak out against it becuse it is essentially thought reform and the goal is a dangerous narsistic high. the workbook teaches you to thing "I AM GOD!!!" that's pretty f*&^ed up yes? crazy and megalomoniacal delusions of grandure you get the point.

I value the health of the spiral and everyone in their different levels and headspace.

So when poeple are going along in health at whatever level and are open to other ideas and opinions i never give them a hard time. To each their own. live and let live.

I do understand that pushing at people like this is slightly aggressive but we live in crazy times, even dangerous times, and someone better start speaking out about this kind of thing. So yea i'm being agressive and beating people over the head but only becuase you need it so i do it. If you didn't need it i wouldn't do it.

There are many places where people get stuck and become close minded. Close mindedness is the enemy.  All that crap you wrote above for instance is a string of close minded thought terminating cliches designed to close discussion and block growth and change. It is closed not open. you are not open to what i am saying but rather are blocking with mindless circular half  ideas that go nowhere on purpose. "'we will find what we seek' and we seek what we love, and what we love we seek" WTF wake up dude a mind is a terrible thing to waste on half baked dim witted fake visionisms.

THE truth at least form my perspective seems to be nothing but an unfolding of different and ever expanding perspectives that end who knows where. I can not own that or defend it because i do not know what it is. Or at least what it will be next.  I can however identify the truths i have been through so far and i generally know the pitfalls and dead ends that arise at the transition points where one falls away and the next opens up. preasures begin to  as the current system begins to erode. stay open minded and  you move forward. shut down and go closed  and start saying crap like.  " "'we will find what we seek' and we seek what we love, and what we love we seek"  and you get stuck forever.