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3 years ago  ::  Jun 11, 2010 - 12:15PM #1
Kodiacman
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Hello,


I have been thinking about emotions much lately since I have been suffering from a mild case of depression over the last 3 months. I have to tell you that in seeing my counselor he has stated that all emotion is good and healthy. I have been saddened by my daughters graduation and the change of my life as she is getting ready to branch out on her own. Being a single dad has been a good thing but now being alone again has been a bit of a 'bump' in the road.


Anyhow back to the topic.... My counselor had shown me how God displayed emotions throughout the OT. God was angry, sad, grief-stricken, happy, joyful, compassionate, repentant(I know that one is pretty unsusual to think about God as being like that), vengeful, merciful, gracious, lonely. He also showed me that Jesus desplayed the whole range of emotions as well. He spoke of wedding feasts, parties, sad stories, angry masters, lonely sheep, and the caring of a good shepherd.


He then showed me a passage in Hebrews that is the basis for this thread. 


So then, since we have a great High Priest who has entered heaven, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to what we believe.15 This High Priest of ours understands our weaknesses, for he faced all of the same testings we do, yet he did not sin.16 So let us come boldly to the throne of our gracious God. There we will receive his mercy, and we will find grace to help us when we need it most. The point of the passage is that whatever human emotion and temptation we have ever faced Jesus had experienced and stands to make intercession for us and give us mercy and grace in the midst of our weaknesses. We have a God who has already walked a mile in our shoes and is willing to care for us today. I must confess that I had always been taught that anger and sadness and loneliness were sin. I am coming to realize that I am judged by my fruits not just my emotional states. This is good news to me. So I ask you, what has your backround been in how you have been taught regarding emotions? How do you see emotions, are they all ok to experience and 'process' in a healthy manner? And the real test is how we "process" them in a healthy manner will determine whether or not we sin with them?BTW there is a thread I also started on the Christianity debate board "when is anger a sin?" that has a bit more of a specific tone towards that particular subject. blessings Heb 4:14-16 (NLT)


If someone wants to doubt the existence of Jesus, my experience is that no evidence or argument will change his mind. Such is the nature of skepticism.~Editor fourth R
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3 years ago  ::  Jun 12, 2010 - 6:04PM #2
Anesis
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Mark, I can really relate to your empty nest syndrome right now. My son has been in the hospital for the last two weeks, and since I had to put my dog down only a week or so before that, my apartment is totally empty except for the swarm of pesky gnats that won't go away. lol. Seriously, it is depressing to come home to nothing.I guess for me, it is a foretaste of what it will be like in the next couple of years when he does move out on his own.


 


I am taking a course in mental health right now, and know that the longer something is left untreated, the more chance it has to set in and become permanent. I will be praying for you, that you are able to recognize the relationship between thought and emotion, and then take every thought captive to Christ, so that joy in your salvation will be your strength to get you through things like this. Be deliberate about finding things you enjoy, take pleasure in the small things, and as the Bible says, think on things that are right, lovely, good, etc.


 


On my profile, I posted a synopsis of a paper I wrote on happiness - it's the fourth article down. I encourage you to read it...you may find it useful.One thing I could add to that from more recent research is the effect volunteering has on happiness level. It's about giving back, sense of community and belonging.


 


In keeping with your thread, yes, God knows our emotions. We were created in his image, so we know that he has every emotion known to man. And to make his knowledge even more intimate, he became a man and experienced every emotion known to man during that time as well. Can you imagine Jesus perhaps fearing crucifixion so much that he begged and pleaded with the Father to let the cup pass? Or his grief over the news of his friend's death? Or his intense anger at the injustice of people buying and selling in the temple? Or the fun at the wedding or the joy of riding triumphantly into Jerusalem? Sometimes it is hard for us to imagine him knowing the full spectrum of emotions and situations of a baby, toddler, child, adolescent, and man.....


 


Emotions in and of themselves are neutral things that we experience positively or negatively, but what we do with them counts. The Bible says to be angry but not to sin in our anger or go to bed angry (in other words, resolve your anger as quickly as you can so that bitterness does not have a foothold). I would be so bold as to suggest that the same is true of depression, etc.


 


You will be in my prayers...

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3 years ago  ::  Jun 13, 2010 - 12:31AM #3
birwin4
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Emotions are  funny things. Not funny ha ha, but rather things that suddenly well up and usually pass.


 


As far as God is concerned, I do not see the OT references to God and emotions as in any way relating to our emotions. God does not have our emotions because He is infinite and unchangeable. When God is said to be angry that is how a human would describe His response.


 


On the other hand when He came down in Jesus Christ he did take on our human nature with its emotional side. The classic case is when he wept at the tomb of Lazarus before he brought him back to life. The Greek suggests he 'snorted like a horse'. His emotions were pushed to the limit by the ignominy of death and its sheer unnaturalness. This reveals a God who cares and as such is more than able to empathise with all that our human nature leads us into. His heart is wrung with anguish for the anguish for his people. 

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3 years ago  ::  Jun 13, 2010 - 4:01PM #4
k-bearsmom
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hmmmm.....


Hatred and unforgiveness towards others are feelings that are a no-no!


I've really never suffered from depression Mark but I believe it to be a VERY serious condition...from what I've read and learned about it there are MANY reasons to not just dismiss it as a 'feeling'.


I know we read that Jesus experienced anger...but in digging deep into the Gospels, I have 'heard' such indescribable grief in His words...even when He was calling the religious folk of the day,'white-washed tombs and dens of vipers!"


I journal alot...everyday to be exact...and I find it a marvelous way of venting and talking to God about various emotions-feelings-whinings and compalints! Many times simply getting them down on paper and then perusing them I can see how silly, or real, or 'bad' they are for me to be hanging onto.


When I have been REALLY angry...nay MAD at something/someone I have learnd to stop, run to our High Priest, ask Him for help and confessed to Him, "Lord, I cannot handle this, I WILL to be in Your will and give it to you. Thank you that you are there always to release me from this terrible anger".


I have to say, the 139th Psalm has always had a great and wonderful 'quieting' affect on my angst, my emotions.


Blessings........................................................................

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3 years ago  ::  Jul 04, 2010 - 10:05PM #5
Weepingangelofthetrees
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Kodiacman, if you believe you were created by the most high power/god, then all that you feel is within the dominion of Omniscient Omnipresent creator. So yes, all emotions are permitted to be felt because you feel them. 


 


Depression can very often have everything to do with the chemistry in the blood. Your diet and exercise regimen has everything to do with how you feel over all. Remember that old adage, you are what you eat!? If your diet is off then that what feeds into your blood stream and brain will be off as well. In other words, you can not run a Rolls Royce on prune juice!


Also, your environment has everything to do with your mood as well. Do you exercise!? A sedentary lifestyle will lead to depression because, by definition, the bodies glandular system is depressed. The toxins that build up in the body through the exertion of living everyday are not being evacuated by aerobic (active) exercise. Consequently those toxins not being released cause them to stagnate or build up like sludge in your car's gas tank, and thereby effect the overall self.


Take a walk in the fresh air and sunshine. Breathe deeply from your diaphram because deep breaths oxygenate and feed the blood stream. Walking increases circulation and thus the opportunity for toxins to release via sweat glands, from the body. Join a gym, walk up and down stairs. Anything to increase the aerobic activity of the body.


Practice meditation. Prayer is when you speak to god. Meditation is when god speaks back.
Find peace in the silence. Visualize your life the way you want it to be, which is not as depressed. Remember, the kingdom of god is within. You are the only one living in that god born flesh that can consciously choose to save yourself from this condition.


Seek a nutritionist and have a full blood workup. Find out if you have any food allergies. Food allergies are one of the primary causes of depression. Your body is allergic to what you eat. So just as you would sneeze because the body is enacting it's defenses, when coming into contact with an airborne allergen so to will your body react when you come into contact with a dietary allergen.


Adjust your diet accordingly. Drink lots of spring water. Water cleanses the body which is 3/4 water already. If you are dehydrated you can become depressed.
There's an excellent book available on this topic, that if not at a local bookstore may be obtained through your local public libraries, "Inter-library Loan Office".


Your Bodies Many Cries For Water. www.watercure.com/


 


(HUGS) I wish you peace and healing brother.




"Remember, Jesus would rather constantly shame gays than let orphans have a family."
Stephen Colbert
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3 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2010 - 3:03PM #6
sincerly
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Hi Mark, The short answer is NO.  Selfishness usually cannot be justified. There is a measuring standard scripturally which can be applied to emotions. Notice these verses:


Job 2:3, "And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause."


Prov. 3:30; 24:28; "Strive not with a man without cause, if he have done thee no harm."......."Be not a witness against thy neighbour without cause; and deceive [not] with thy lips."


Matt. 5:22, "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a causeshall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." 


Yes, GOD, in the scriptures, did express all the emotional attributes as we understand them to convey to us just how evil/contrary to HIS Principle of LOVE such actions are. HIS expressions were "WITH CAUSE". 


Yes, Jesus is our High Priest, Advocate and intercessor to GOD the Father. HE was tempted in every point like as we and sinned not. In HIS humanity(using nothing of HIS Divine nature), HE gave the example of it being possible for each of us to "overcome"(7 times repeated in Rev.2+3) each and every temptation which we all face. HE made the way of Reconciliation for Disobeying and that by Confessing our "sin" and "REPENTING" of the same. (2Pet.3:9)


Yes,  "we are judged by our fruits", and (as has been posted),  sometimes our emotions express the evilness/wickedness of the heart and mind.


Paul in Rom.8:28 had this to say. "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose."  With that in mind, we can, like him, apply his words in (Phil. 4:11) "Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, [therewith] to be content". That is a remarkable testimony in light of the record: 2 Cor.11:16-30


Jesus told us where to focus in Matt. 6:33, "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you."  HE who made all things also gave the manual for living within the WILL of GOD.    1Cor.10:31,"Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God."


 


 


 

Peace,   Sincerly.      As long as sin is practiced, one will search for a means to validate the continuing therein. ANON

The greatest want of the world is the want of men--men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.---- ANON  (Ellen G. White. 1882)
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3 years ago  ::  Jul 08, 2010 - 12:54PM #7
Anesis
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Sincerely, selfishness is not an emotion; it is a state of being. Cause is not an emotion; it is the precursor. In other words, it is cause that gives feelings their purpose, and that cause may or may not justify our feelings. Selfishness is not justification; injustice is justification.


Attaching a feeling to anything either good or bad is not a reflection of whether the feeling itself is good or bad. For example, if we have a feeling of pleasure derived from a sinful behaviour (such as drinnking too much), it is not the feeling of pleasure that is sin. The feeling of pleasure - or any feeling for that matter - detached from an event or behaviour or thought, etc - is acceptable, since the feeling itself is not good or bad. What gives feelings a moral bent is what we attach the feeling to. Anger is justified if it is over sin or injustice, and if it is resolved before it's given a foothold to bitterness. Anger is not justified if it is because we are not getting our own way. The feeling itself is acceptable, but what we attach it to, and how we behave in our anger is what makes it good or bad.


Yes, we are judged by our fruits, but God looks at the heart, and considers intent, motivation, justification. I have hurt people without intending to, and sometimes that hurt is justified - when I do it out of love and for the other's best interest. We are called to examine our heart before we do something like that though, to make sure we don't have any sin that would cause us to be hypocrites. I have also hurt people without thinking and on reflection it has been self-motivated. Of those times, I must indeed confess this to God and ask him to give me the mind of Christ.


Emotions in and of themselves are neither good or bad; it is what we attach the emotion to which makes it good or bad....

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3 years ago  ::  Jul 08, 2010 - 2:28PM #8
sincerly
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Jul 8, 2010 -- 12:54PM, Anesis wrote:


Sincerely, selfishness is not an emotion; it is a state of being. Cause is not an emotion; it is the precursor. In other words, it is cause that gives feelings their purpose, and that cause may or may not justify our feelings. Selfishness is not justification; injustice is justification.



BD, Isn't selfishness to loveself or one's own interest----the desire to have?? Isn't it also covetousness?


No, Selfishness isn't a justification for ones actions, But it is a "CAUSE" for GOD's actions in judgment of the person----who performed the "injustice"(against GOD or Neighbor).


 

Peace,   Sincerly.      As long as sin is practiced, one will search for a means to validate the continuing therein. ANON

The greatest want of the world is the want of men--men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.---- ANON  (Ellen G. White. 1882)
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3 years ago  ::  Jul 09, 2010 - 9:53AM #9
Anesis
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I desire a godly husband. Is that sin? Is that coveting? No. It is simply responding to the God-given curse that a woman's desire is for her husband. If I desire another woman's husband, that is sin. The desire itself is not sin. What I attach it to is sin. Loving oneself is an expectation of God, imo. He never said to hate ourselves; rather, he tells us to love our neighbour as we love ourselves - after all, there is a verse that says we tend to care for ourselves by nurturing and feeding ourselves. Imo, it would be sin to not love ourselves as that would be hating the very temple of the spirit, part of the Body of Christ. I have never read anywhere in the Bible that desiring some things is not good....except when that something belongs to someone else.

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3 years ago  ::  Jul 10, 2010 - 6:16PM #10
sincerly
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Jul 9, 2010 -- 9:53AM, Anesis wrote:


I desire a godly husband. Is that sin? Is that coveting? No. It is simply responding to the God-given curse that a woman's desire is for her husband. If I desire another woman's husband, that is sin. The desire itself is not sin. What I attach it to is sin. Loving oneself is an expectation of God, imo. He never said to hate ourselves; rather, he tells us to love our neighbour as we love ourselves - after all, there is a verse that says we tend to care for ourselves by nurturing and feeding ourselves. Imo, it would be sin to not love ourselves as that would be hating the very temple of the spirit, part of the Body of Christ. I have never read anywhere in the Bible that desiring some things is not good....except when that something belongs to someone else.




BD,  YOUR:"I have never read anywhere in the Bible that desiring some things is not good....except when that something belongs to someone else."------look at these verses: James 4:1-3, "From whence [come] wars and fightings among you? [come they] not hence, [even] of your lusts that war in your members?Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.  Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume [it] upon your lusts. 

It was that understanding of "selfishness/self-love" that my previous comments were made.----along with "desire to have".  Would you be "fault finding of words" rather than looking at the "message"? Asking, not judging.


 

Peace,   Sincerly.      As long as sin is practiced, one will search for a means to validate the continuing therein. ANON

The greatest want of the world is the want of men--men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.---- ANON  (Ellen G. White. 1882)
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