Acttually wives and husbands are not equal. Scripture tells us that the woman is the weaker vessel.

However even if true, the analogy would  prove the Trinity is false. The man and woman are TWO different Beings / persons. The Trinity stipulates ONE Being and three persons.

Sep 14, 2010 -- 5:43PM, DNT wrote:

Hi there

This is a very interesting subject and i thought i would stick my two pence worth in.

OK i have not read all the posts so some one may have made this observation already, if you look at Luke 23:40,43 Jesus clearly shows that the man who was crucified next to him will be in Paradise the same day,

Luk 23:40But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

 Luk 23:41And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.

 Luk 23:42And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

 Luk 23:43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Also you have the account of the rich man who was asking Abraham to go and warn his relatives. They were both dead so they had to have been alive with out there bodys so it had to be there souls.

God Bless You

Denis. 

Hi,

The rich man and lazarous was a parrable as we are told that Jesus' always spoke in parrables to general audiences.

The account with the thief depends on where you put the comma. It was that day he told him or it was that day he was told he would be in paradise.

The grammar and syntax favor being told that day. Also Jesus did not go to Paradise that day. We are told he went to Hell/hades for 3 days, not Paradise.

Hi,

Look at my response below. Please address the points, not just repeat what has already been said.

There are no comma's in Greek. It can read EITHER:

1. Truly I tell you, today you will be with me... (Same day)

or

2. Truly I tell you today, you will be with me .... (Some time in the future)

Which is correct is covered by the reality that Jesus was NOT in Paradise that day or the next, thus eliminating the first and most common use of the comma in translations of this verse.

Lazarus and the rich man, according to scripture, was a parable. Jesus ALWAYS spoke to the CROWDS in parables.

KJV Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

This account starts out: Luke 15:1   KJV Luke 15:1 Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him. It wasn't his disciples but crowds of people (mulitiudes) he was speaking.

Sep 14, 2010 -- 10:51PM, anotherpaul wrote:

Sep 14, 2010 -- 5:43PM, DNT wrote:

Hi there

This is a very interesting subject and i thought i would stick my two pence worth in.

OK i have not read all the posts so some one may have made this observation already, if you look at Luke 23:40,43 Jesus clearly shows that the man who was crucified next to him will be in Paradise the same day,

Luk 23:40But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

 Luk 23:41And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.

 Luk 23:42And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

 Luk 23:43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Also you have the account of the rich man who was asking Abraham to go and warn his relatives. They were both dead so they had to have been alive with out there bodys so it had to be there souls.

God Bless You

Denis. 

 

Hi,

The rich man and lazarous was a parrable as we are told that Jesus' always spoke in parrables to general audiences.

The account with the thief depends on where you put the comma. It was that day he told him or it was that day he was told he would be in paradise.

The grammar and syntax favor being told that day. Also Jesus did not go to Paradise that day. We are told he went to Hell/hades for 3 days, not Paradise.

Hi,

I will respond tomorrow.

No time today.

Sep 17, 2010 -- 5:29PM, DNT wrote:

 

Hey anotherpaul

I don’t know what has happened i did give a reply to your post; this is happening to me a lot lately, so i will try again.

OK i disagree with your point about where to place the comma, and have never seen any argument that indicates that the comma is in the wrong place. I am in agreement with most scholars that the KJV of the Bible is by far the best in the English language. Now if you look at other translations you will find that they agree with the KJV in where the comma is placed;

KJV

Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

LITV

 Luk 23:43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

 ASV

Luk 23:43 And he said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in Paradise.

GNB

Luk 23:43Jesus said to him, "I promise you that today you will be in Paradise with me."

ISV

Luk 23:43 Jesus said to him, "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise."

RV

Luk 23:43 And he said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in Paradise.

And there are more that agree that Jesus was with the thief in paradise that same day. 

As for your point about Jesus being in hell and hades for three days, this is correct, as you know hell and hades is the grave and his body would have been there for three days his soul was with Abraham.

As for your point about the beggar and the rich man being a parable? Well it could be I personally believe that it was literal but even if it was a parable it should be a warning to every one as parables are talking about truths. OK Abrahams bosom was a place where the souls were waiting in paradise for the time when Heaven was to be open, that happened after three days when Jesus soul was reunited with his body and he was resurrected on the third day, Jesus went to free them from the grave, the place where the rich man was a place of torment and the remain there until the 1000 years are over and then they are resurrected for Judgement.

God Bless You

Denis.