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8 years ago  ::  Mar 06, 2010 - 10:22PM #11
Tenlionz
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Sorry Im having trouble with this board, I missed the question I was asked. If you could post again maybe Ill be able to read it with the link our Host has graciously offered VIA PM.

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8 years ago  ::  Mar 06, 2010 - 10:51PM #12
Nay_ho_tze
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Tenlionz:  Following are the posts that you cannot see...


 


 


Mar 6, 2010 -- 9:18AM, Ermotimos wrote:


Ten Lionz, is lion for you and your people, the keeper of the word? And what is the relationship between the word and the spirit (this I ask all)? I believe they are one. The words are spirits, and the reason..for all.





Mar 6, 2010 -- 9:23AM, Ermotimos wrote:


In my language, logos, the word, also means reason.





Mar 6, 2010 -- 9:26AM, Ermotimos wrote:


How is it in Choctaw?





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8 years ago  ::  Mar 07, 2010 - 3:45PM #13
Tenlionz
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Actually in our culture we did not have in the past a written word, simply oral record of oral tradition. We as Lion Clan were and are a Warrior society within a Warrior society, as the Lion over sees and protects a Pride or Family, so do we as a Human extension of the Great Cat and his ways. We do this in many ways, one is to protect the oral Tradition's, ritual, and ceremony of Tribe and Clan. Tradition's such as the honor and respect shown to our Elders, this is no easy task in a modern non-NDN world comprised predominately of European American Culture. Especially after Native American culture based films made it very kool to be NDN. We have had to deal with all non-NDN>z becoming Cherokee, or Sioux and tough guy types of course Apache, there have been many wannabee charlatan's cashing in on the pop white NDN culture, many are out and out liars which pollute the oral record by introducing movie made bull cookies and stuff they simply make up. Then well meaning Archeologist's decided it would be good to lump all forms of Spiritual and holistic medicine practice into one word "Shamanism" and the rush of new agers/NDN wannabes felt they had gained some type of validity with which to make claims on NDN heritage. There by Polluting the Native American Culture and Tradition's and the remnants of existing Mongolian and Alaskan Native Tradition's as well. And so the Clan Lion became all the more important to the Civilised Tribes attempting to hold on to what was left of their Tradition's and the purity of all things NDN. Choctaw and Chickasaw were once the same Tribe according to White Dog Legend, we live hand in hand today with many Tribal citizen's being half Chickasaw and half Choctaw, so many of our tradition's are the same, the language is of the Muskogee linguistic line which includes he Muskogee Creek Tribe and supposedly Cherokee and Seminole, but try and speak fluent Chickasaw Choctaw or Creek to a Seminole or Cherokee and watch the confusion take hold hehe. The language today is comprised mainly of Muskogee Creek language as this was the dominate trade language after removal from the home lands to Oklahoma. But the three Tribes are very similar and fluent speakers can get the conversation completed satisfactorily. I hope this answers your question my friend. Ten Lionz

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8 years ago  ::  Mar 07, 2010 - 5:15PM #14
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From what you say Tenlionz I understand that Lion is the guardian of your peoples word. The word is oral but is more than speach. With speach we humans pass the word to each other. The original intent of writing is I believe, memory. However one must not forget that writing is only a symbol of the word and not the word itself which is beond discriptions. For my people lion is connected to Sun and fire. And since Sun is the reason (the word) of life as light and spirit are one, I think lion a very wise guardian. I understand what you say about your people and it grieves me beond discription to learn the history of America as seen by its original nations. And nowdays the stealing and ploundering of the spiritual heritage seems to me like the worst of a long series of the same mistreatment..and I know how you feel..believe me, our history is kind of the same you know, as my people have been enslaved for more than 2000 years now. Not only 500-120 years as in your case. Our culture was completely plundered and levelled and raped by the roman, and later by the christianised roman conqueror (church) for more than 1500 years and then by the turks for 400 years and we are still enslaved today by a state I'd rather not talk about right now and by an institution of the state which has imposed a spiritual stranglehold on the people for the last 1500-1200 years and are the original creators and intenders of the distruction of all indigenous cultures around the world. The church. And also by a cast of shades which have come upon us from outside the borders of our land ever since the revolution of 1821 and have fed on my people like mosquitoes drinking our blood. Now they want our land. They will not have it!


Nowadays people are rediscovering all those words writen down long ago and saved from those who would rather see them burned as they burned the other 98-99 percent of our sacred literature. There are many thousands of people who are denouncing christianity and the church and the numbers are increasing. That is the only good thing I can see happening in our society nowdays in this new age of poverty and ignorance.

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8 years ago  ::  Mar 07, 2010 - 6:26PM #15
Tenlionz
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Yes, let our words resound through to the future generations to become part of history its self--Beware of the Christian Missionaries! The hand of friendship the main stream Christian extends, holds un-seen chains by which to bind our People and enslave our families, land, treasures, Tradition's, Culture and Heritage until its utter destruction. Their purpose is Empire and they would deal death to all which will not bow to thier merciless god and do their bidding, In this we are brothers Ermotimos'

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8 years ago  ::  Mar 08, 2010 - 10:47AM #16
Ermotimos
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Mar 7, 2010 -- 6:26PM, Tenlionz wrote:


Yes, let our words resound through to the future generations to become part of history its self--Beware of the Christian Missionaries! The hand of friendship the main stream Christian extends, holds un-seen chains by which to bind our People and enslave our families, land, treasures, Tradition's, Culture and Heritage until its utter destruction. Their purpose is Empire and they would deal death to all which will not bow to thier merciless god and do their bidding, In this we are brothers Ermotimos'




 They are wery mischievous and crafty and double faced. And I will tell you their main secret and weak spot and perverse lie. They say that there is one God and one holy trinity. Father, son, holy spirit and that they are one. This is not completely false, though these are big words which can be misenterpreted (lack of knowledge of mathematics as all numbers contain the number one within their being, and infinity is the division of one (light), we know nowdays that everything is energy and the transformation of energy from its primal state (light) into infinity). Father is mind, spirit is the spirit flow, son is the word. And these are indeed one. They say however that the word itself (the totality of the word) was incarnated into a man (Jesus) who was born and died in a particular place and time (mortal). This is imposible and is the greatest perversion of the word ever said about the word itself and is clearly political propaganda. The word is light (Sun). It can not be incarnated. Light (as has been proven nowdays by science) is beond time and place and is the substance of being. Soul (which is the bonding of mind and body) is that which incarnates and is not the word itself.


So have confidence always in your ancestors word which I am sure is a beautifull rainbow by the waters of the sacred river of life. A transformation of Sun (mind, the father). Beauty itself. And as true as any rainbow..


I am honored to be called brother by a warrior like you. Peace to you always brother, and may Sun shine forever though your heart and may your dance be harmonius and never lose step, but always follow the rhythm of our great mothers drum.. 


 

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8 years ago  ::  Mar 08, 2010 - 11:06AM #17
Ermotimos
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Mar 6, 2010 -- 9:11PM, Nay_ho_tze wrote:


Ermotimos 
forgive my delay in response ...
I am the matriarch of a multi-generational household,
and RL has been on overload lately ...

I didn’t remember much from my high school days
about Pallas Athena, so I did a quick refresher course –
and I thought it might interest you to know that:
1.  My sun is in the sign of Aries, God of War
2.  I am an award-winning craftsperson in a variety of media,   
including culinary arts (my baklava took 1st prize *lol*)
and 3. 
I was abandoned at six months of age, and therefore,
do not know my mother.
*smiling*
I am very honoured to make my re-acquaintance
with your goddess.
Thank you for bringing us together.

Correct me if I'm wrong,
but the 'thunderer' is Zeus, correct?

And finally with regard to daimon eautoύ
I am curious ...
could this concept be also called by the name ‘higher consciousness’?

=]



Aries the Ram is the house of Ares the planet (the war god). You must have your birthday this month right? May it be happy and peacefull and may Ares give you strength in heart to fight strife and evil.


Since you are a craftsperson I see your connection to Athena even more clearly. And since you never knew your mother I would say you are the goddess herself (she never knew her mother either as she was born of her fathers head)Smile.


The thunderer is Zeus indeed those name means life.


And yes, you are correct, daimon eautou is higher consciousness.


Sorry for delaying my responce to you..peace to you.

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8 years ago  ::  Mar 09, 2010 - 5:20PM #18
Nay_ho_tze
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Ermotimos writes: Aries the Ram is the house of Ares the planet (the war god). 
You must have your birthday this month right?

Yes – but as March is the month of Pisces,
mine is on the cusp between the alpha and the omega...
April is the month of  the Ram.

While Ares is the God of War,
isn't Pallas Athena the goddess of the strategy of war ?
this somehow appeals to my sensibilities ...
on another threadTenlionz mentioned the art of war ...
I’m guessing that strategy and art refer to the same concept?

Ermotimos writes: May it be happy and peacefull and
may Ares give you strength in heart to fight strife and evil.

thank you kindly for your well wishes and prayer...

Ermotimos writes: Since you are a craftsperson
I see your connection to Athena even more clearly.
And since you never knew your mother
I would say you are the goddess herself
(she never knew her mother either
as she was born of her fathers head)
Smile.

I am humbled and most honoured
by your words, good sir –

NHT
=]

Ermotimos writes: Aries the Ram is the house of Ares the planet (the war god). 
You must have your birthday this month right?
Yes – although March for me is the month of Pisces,
I am on the cusp between the alpha and the omega...
April is the month of  the Ram.

That Ares is the God of War always disturbed me,
but if I remember correctly,
Pallas Athena is the goddess of the strategy of war –
and this somehow appeals more to my sensitivities...
Tenlionz on another thread mentioned the “art of war” ...
I’m guessing that strategy and art refer to the same concept.

Ermotimos writes: May it be happy and peacefull and
may Ares give you strength in heart to fight strife and evil.
thank you kindly for your well wishes and prayer...

Ermotimos writes: Since you are a craftsperson I see your connection to Athena even more clearly. And since you never knew your mother I would say you are the goddess herself (she never knew her mother either as she was born of her fathers head)
Smile.
I am humbled and honoured by your words, good sir –

NHT
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8 years ago  ::  Mar 09, 2010 - 7:49PM #19
Tenlionz
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Ermotimos/ I am honored to be called brother by a warrior like you. Peace to you always brother, and may Sun shine forever though your heart and may your dance be harmonious and never lose step, but always follow the rhythm of our great mothers drum.. 


As your People are legendary Warriors the honor is mine. I have enjoyed your thoughts, especially the manner in which you link the Scientific community with the Spiritual community. This is where we Will find the enlightenment that we all desperately seek. You speak of light or energy and the transformation. My People refer to this as the great Circle, or the Circle of life. Where as the energy which is the consciousness can never die, but be transformed and reborn as the waters. Some call this the mysteries of the Waters, as an answer to many questions Elders will say--Go and ponder the Mysteries of the Waters.

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8 years ago  ::  Mar 09, 2010 - 8:38PM #20
Tenlionz
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www.saintwiki.com/index.php?title=Tatian.... Ermotimos, I would really appreciate your opinion on this address.

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