Oct 8, 2009 -- 11:48AM, Agnosticspirit wrote:

 

Oct 1, 2009 -- 9:10PM, Reformationnow wrote:

 He really is not claiming "new prophecies," but fulfillment of existing world prophecies. He does, however, predict how the humble, gentle, peaceful majority of us human beings will inherit the earth. So, in that sense, I suppose it could be considered a prophecy. But that is essentially the fulfillment of all previous genuine prophecies.

If this is what he is saying, how is that any different from Jesus claiming the meek will inherit the earth and why should the First Nations people, who suffered terribly under the iron fist of Christianity, meekly accept this? This isn't new, it isn't original and it certainly doesn't appear to be anything other than an attempt to proselytize. I do wish there were a DEBATE board for Native American and First Nations, where attempts like this would rightfully belong.

If you read the article I cited, you will see that his point is that all prophecies of the world, including Buddhist, Hindu, Jewish, Islamic and Native American prophecies speak of the end of the passing age and the begginning of a new age of peace and harmony, when the humble, gentle, peaceful, and yes, "meek" people of the world shall inherit the earth, make peace, and establish justice for all peoples.

The modern son of man is on YOUR side AGAINST military imperialsts on the Christian Right, and points out the error of the false doctrine of preeminence and superiority that justified the "Christian" popes, emperors, kings, prime ministers and presidents who screwed over the Native Americans and lots of other indiginous peoples all over the world.

It's frustrating for me to keep having to refute the accusations of critics who haven't bothered to read the message. Adamson is NOT proselytizing or pushing ANY religion. He's advocating religious PLURALISM and EQUALITY.

I sense that there is a knee-jerk reaction to any mention of Jesus here, due to the bigotry of of the so-called Christian Right. But the modern son of man is just as against them as you are!

Oct 8, 2009 -- 10:39PM, LeahOne wrote:

Quote: "The point is that Jesus DID exist, however, and he did fulfill the Judaic prophecies about being born in the line of David, and about "receiving stripes" (being whipped) and being "brought as a lamb to slaughter." But he DID NOT fulfill any of the other Judaic prophecies of the Jewish Mashiach." Those are NOT!!!!!!! Jewish prophesies of the MbD.  First off, if Jesus' father was YHVH - no 'House of David' there.  The tribal descent is through the MALE line ONLY:  the geneaology traced through Mary is irrelevant. Second, the 'suffering servant' passages of Isaiah DO NOT REFER to Jesus:  the 'suffering Servant' is Israel/the Jewish People.  And that is NOT truly a 'messianic' prophesy.  Jewish prophets are not given to 'foretelling', but to 'telling forth' (the will of YHVH to the ruler and/or people of Israel). Thanks for proving my point that most Christians don't even know what the actual Jewish prophesies about MbD are. (Hint:  It's NOT! all that stuff the Christians are forever spouting to 'prove' to me their Jesus is my MbD) 

Once again your unwillingness to read the message causes you to fail to understand it.

The modern son of man shows how Jesus was not born of a virgin. Joseph was his father, and Joseph was born in the line of David. Adamson shows how the reference in the book of Matthew to Isaiah 7:14 about "Immanuel being born of a virgin" is not accurate or appropriate, so it was either not actually written by its original author but was added later, or the author of those words now in the book of Matthew was simply in error about that prophecy of Isaiah, which was actually not about a virgin and was fulfilled long before Jesus was even born.

The modern son of man shows how Jesus did not sacrifice his life to "take away the sins of the world," as many Christians claim. In fact, the claim that he did was based on erroneous interpretation and misunderstanding of Judaic Hebrew Scriptures. They do not speak of any son of man dying for our salvation, just as they do not speak of any son of man coming, then going and coming again. And the martyrdom of Jesus was to set an example as a loving, compassionate, tolerant, forgiving pacifist.

Furthermore, Jesus did fulfill a couple of the prophecies of Isaiah about being whipped (receiving stripes) and being "brought as a lamb to slaughter." But, Isaiah's prophies speak mostly of the modern son of man, the servant of God.

The book of Isaiah speaks of the witnesses of God, and of a singular chosen servant of God, one who is called "son of man."And even though Isaiah speaks of the "servant Israel" in certain instances in a plural sense, meaning the people of Israel, Isaiah also speaks of the servant Israel in a singular sense, meaning the servant who "brings Jacob again" in spirit, and also symbolically represents the "sceptre of Judah," "a rod out of the stem of Jesse," and a "righteous branch from David."

That is why Jesus himself said the one who would fulfill both the Judaic and Christian prophecies would glorify God the Holy One in heaven, and would also glorify the Christ-Avatar-Ancient One who is with God in heaven. And Adamson shows how Isaiah and Jesus both spoke of the modern son of man, who is first rejected by his generation and first suffers many things, and who often feels that his work is in vain and for nought because most people reject it.

Why do they reject it? Because most people dismiss him as a deluded fool with a messianic complex, or reject him as a heretic or worse. And that's because he comes NOT to fulfill the expectations of men who think their religion or race or nation or culture is superior to all others. He comes to fulfill the will God who knows we are all ONE.