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5 years ago  ::  Jul 22, 2009 - 5:51PM #1
Agnosticspirit
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Excerpt from the link:


"On Tuesday, the Navajo National Council voted to enact the Navajo Green Economy Commission, which would oversee the use of federal, state and private funds for green job initiatives. Through the measure, community members could apply for funding to create projects that the commission deems "green."


 


How do you foresee the impact the Navajo Nation will have on it's own community, surrounding region and other states? Leading by example makes perfect sense to me.... what do you think? This wiki article includes a map, so you can get an idea of the large swathes of land that will be affected by green energy and green resources.


I didn't see anything in this article about whether wind or solar power can be harnessed --- given the open space required for wind farms, this MAY be a good fit. I know they get the sun, just not so sure about the wind.


 

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5 years ago  ::  Jul 24, 2009 - 8:19PM #2
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I'm only familiar with that portion of the Navajo Nation in Apache County, AZ, having visited the Native American Baha'i Institue (NABI) on the Window Rock Reservation.  I've broken bread with the dineh and shared prayers with them in the prayer hogan.  They are a beautiful people, warm and giving, but I can't see where the government has ever done anything for them that didn't result in another "forked tongue" promise.  Their land is desolate.  Many of their homes don't have running water, which is retrieved daily from the nearest well.  Woodburning stoves are the only source of heat for most on the reservation.  The only paved roads are the county roads that run directly through the res.  The government doesn't pave Indian roads and the dineh have neither the funds nor the means to pave them.  What possible "green" is the government alluding to for this barren land?


Check out this "road" I had to negotiate (you wouldn't believe the ruts) to get to NABI...


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5 years ago  ::  Aug 18, 2009 - 8:45PM #3
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This thread was moved from Hot Topics Zone to the Native American and First Nations forum. Initially, this seems like a good idea, but the previous poster points out that what seems to be an obvious win/win isn't always the case.


What are your thoughts?


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5 years ago  ::  Aug 19, 2009 - 12:54PM #4
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BS"D


Although the value of conventional propeller-type microturbines to generate private residential electricity is being studied in the UK with disappointing results, the VAWT is a plausible alternative for micro-wind farms in limited spaces and I can see the potential for a Navaho tech startup to begin manufacturing their own if they ever desire to get into the area of harvesting the wind.



www.platek.com/wind/verticals.html


www.ecobusinesslinks.com/vertical_axis_w...


 

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5 years ago  ::  Aug 20, 2009 - 9:14PM #5
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Choctaw just went green to, these are smoke signals to he federal government and they read-- we would like some federal money! The Shish Indae have no one to blame but their leadership and lack of grant writer's for their position. The money is there its simply a matter of knowing how to get it. Tribes must now combine Tribalism with capitalism in order to get a figurine into this big game of Monopoly. My Tribe once tried to live on Ofi Waslachi (Dog Soup) but in the end we must have leaders which have been to business college and know how to make money and gain Federal monies. Its simply the new way of survival and thrivival.




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5 years ago  ::  Aug 24, 2009 - 6:18PM #6
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Aug 19, 2009 -- 12:54PM, Bunsinspace wrote:


BS"D


Although the value of conventional propeller-type microturbines to generate private residential electricity is being studied in the UK with disappointing results, the VAWT is a plausible alternative for micro-wind farms in limited spaces and I can see the potential for a Navaho tech startup to begin manufacturing their own if they ever desire to get into the area of harvesting the wind.


 


www.platek.com/wind/verticals.html


www.ecobusinesslinks.com/vertical_axis_w...


 




Thanks for posting those links, buns.... I didn't realize there were individual wind generators in the works.... Provincial that I am, I visualized rolling hills filled with windfarms as seen in some parts of the California deserts... The large amount of real estate required to harness wind energy is why they aren't built along the coast to take advantage of the ocean breezes...


I grew up in Wyoming... WIND capital if not of the world, certainly within the Rocky Mountain region... It's truly windier than hell... and plenty of empty space for wind farms because not enough peoples want to live there..... But apparently the windfarms I see in CA aren't suitable for Wyoming because Wyo is  TOO windy.... something to do with weather patterns generated by the winds coming off the eastern slope of the Rocky Mountains.


These individual wind generators on rooftops may prove to be more viable. I wonder if the government will issue a credit or tax break for homeowners who install them, similar to those who install solar panels?


Great opportunity for startups without the potential for self-destruction seen in the casinos (which I still haven't made up my mind about the cost vs. benefit of this form of revenue generation)


 


 

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5 years ago  ::  Aug 24, 2009 - 6:38PM #7
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Aug 20, 2009 -- 9:14PM, Tenlionz wrote:


Choctaw just went green to, these are smoke signals to he federal government and they read-- we would like some federal money!


What does this mean? How has the Choctaw tribe gone green, how does this affect new and existing buildings, roads, small businesses, and industry?


Aug 20, 2009 -- 9:14PM, Tenlionz wrote:


The Shish Indae have no one to blame but their leadership and lack of grant writer's for their position. The money is there its simply a matter of knowing how to get it. Tribes must now combine Tribalism with capitalism in order to get a figurine into this big game of Monopoly. My Tribe once tried to live on Ofi Waslachi (Dog Soup) but in the end we must have leaders which have been to business college and know how to make money and gain Federal monies. Its simply the new way of survival and thrivival.



Ten lionz



Who are the Shish?


I'm uneasy with tribalism, perhaps because I tend to equate it to the convergence of tribalism/nationalism/along with other "isms" that render the possibility of peace and harmony in the ME to be somewhat LESS possible than discovering the true origins of the universe and other unanswerables. But that's another thread ---


Tribalistic capitalism? Hmm.... interesting idea once I can get past my reservations about tribalism... We already lived through the horrors of the 19th century when our ethics and morality were unable to keep up with all the possibilities opened up by technology/Industrial Revolution.  Would tribalistic capitalism be any different from other forms of capitalism? Have we human beings undergone a similar revolution?


 It's time for us to be making NEW  mistakes instead of repeating all the old ones.... If a new paradigm paves the path to encourage small business and startups, TRUE competition rather than the dog eat dog UN-free market economic system that inevitably results from mergers, takeovers, and  megolithic monoliths that make up our current system of corporate mercantilism; not only can we look forward to green, good for Big Blue, but maybe even look forward to ---- BETTER HUMAN BEINGS perpetuating from present to future


 

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5 years ago  ::  Aug 24, 2009 - 7:22PM #8
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Tribalism/Capitalism, well that wont be easy to describe, its hard for those who don't belong to a Tribe to understand the true meaning. Its like an Extended Family, I have said before that the word Community never lived so well as in the word Tribe. I might describe this by saying--if your Father becomes extremely wealthy will you not benefit from this? My people pull down more money than some third world countries, then we use the money to better Tribal citizens conditions, Education, Housing, Elder Care what have ya. But we do these things according to Traditional concepts. Then we buy up more and more land, I noticed you said the word take over? I like that word. But what we may be taking over belonged to us in the first place so I'm going to use the word Regain. You said that we should not the mistakes that we made in the past? Well I hope we do not make them either, such as trustin the White European Governments to treat us fairly, the last time they had Guns, we had bows, this time we all have money and the opportunity to make more. This levels the playing Field, and being that the capital we make comes from the non NDN community I think we are on the right path. Going green or any other program that is sanctioned by the federal government as trendy and gains voter approval will carry government grants to help initiate and perpetuate the program, this is what I was talking about when I said we need leaders that can gain grant writers and the host of other competent staff in order to absorbed these funds. Thank for the question and be sure to visit one of our many luxurious casinos, hehe

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5 years ago  ::  Aug 24, 2009 - 7:42PM #9
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Oh, we're on at the same time!  yes.... your definition of tribalism makes more sense.... community cooperation without the negative connotations of tribalism.


The mistakes of the past --- I was referring to many things and yes from the POV of one who descended from European and Mexican (Spanish) ancestry --- manifest destiny, slavery,  money making for the sake of profit stepping on the back of others to gain. The horrors of the 19th century factories, railroads and era of robber barons are atrocitious mistakes we should have learned from but didn't given our modern day robber barons who run the banking/insurance industry and our government.


No reason why the attempts to boost the economy in the form of economic stimulus package shouldn't be of benefit to all.... yes, I can see why First Nations need to learn how to apply for these grants and make the best use of them --- will not only benefit you, but Big Blue as well.

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5 years ago  ::  Aug 24, 2009 - 8:16PM #10
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Absolutely and I hope I did not push money grubbing over much as to make my People seem uninterested in Protecting the Great Mother. Our way has always been the way of Nature, much has changed since we have become like the Europeans in this regard. But I can tell you that any way that we can protect the Earth and our fellow creation we do, even at great financial expense and loss. Would it not be great if we could gather at the fire every night and feast with one another. This is what our gathering is like. Once a year we gather and feast and commune with all the members of our Tribe, we Stomp Dance together in the night, around the sacred fire and we are one. By participating in these customs we glimpse the past in order to guild our future.

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