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5 years ago  ::  Jul 17, 2009 - 6:49PM #1
Shubee
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I confess that comparing the teachings of a demon with the doctrines of A. Graham Maxwell is a great insult that must deeply hurt any Seventh-day Adventist that imputes righteousness to his church and trusts in that relationship for his salvation.


Should Seventh-day Adventists be alarmed by the growing army of church members that are embracing pan-Gnostic Adventist spiritualism?


 

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5 years ago  ::  Jul 19, 2009 - 2:14PM #2
sincerly
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Jul 17, 2009 -- 6:49PM, Shubee wrote:


 Should Seventh-day Adventists be alarmed by the growing army of church members that are embracing  pan-Gnostic Adventist spiritualism?





Just as Members are not embracing your philosophies in "armies", neither are they "embracing" any other erroneous philosophy as you are alleging. People do fall for Satan's ploys and there is a concerted effort for evil to be disseminated-----witness/an example is your own false teachings/opinions/views. But the true "Remnant of God" will not be swayed by your erroneous subtle use of EGW's writings.

Peace,   Sincerly.      As long as sin is practiced, one will search for a means to validate the continuing therein. ANON

The greatest want of the world is the want of men--men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.---- ANON  (Ellen G. White. 1882)
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5 years ago  ::  Jul 28, 2009 - 9:48PM #3
Shubee
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Jul 19, 2009 -- 2:14PM, sincerly wrote:

Members are not embracing ...  erroneous philosophy as you are alleging.


Have you read what Sister White has prophesied on a topic often called the omega of deadly heresies, declaring that the doctrine of demons will come into the Seventh-day Adventist church, and recent related books such as, The Character of God Controversy by Steve Wohlberg and Dr. Chris Lewis, A Modern Subtle Challenge To God's Authority by Milton G. Crane, M.D. or Tom Mostert's Hidden Heresy, Is spiritualism invading Adventist churches today?

There is no doubt about there being a significant faction in the Church that is teaching pan-Gnostic Adventist spiritualism.

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5 years ago  ::  Jul 28, 2009 - 11:50PM #4
sincerly
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Jul 28, 2009 -- 9:48PM, Shubee wrote:


Jul 19, 2009 -- 2:14PM, sincerly wrote:

Members are not embracing ...  erroneous philosophy as you are alleging.


Have you read what Sister White has prophesied on a topic often called the omega of deadly heresies, declaring that the doctrine of demons will come into the Seventh-day Adventist church, and recent related books such as, The Character of God Controversy by Steve Wohlberg and Dr. Chris Lewis, A Modern Subtle Challenge To God's Authority by Milton G. Crane, M.D. or Tom Mostert's Hidden Heresy, Is spiritualism invading Adventist churches today?

There is no doubt about there being a significant faction in the Church that is teaching pan-Gnostic Adventist spiritualism.





Like EGW's writings you are manipulating those writings. There are NO SDA OFFICIAL BELIEFS WHICH ENDORSE SPIRITUALISM. NOR WIDE SPREAD BELIEFS CONCERNING SUCH.


Can the individual be lead into  such------yes, if they listen to such as you( who would lead one away from the truth to your erroneous teachings) and those who teach such.

Peace,   Sincerly.      As long as sin is practiced, one will search for a means to validate the continuing therein. ANON

The greatest want of the world is the want of men--men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.---- ANON  (Ellen G. White. 1882)
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5 years ago  ::  Jul 29, 2009 - 12:45AM #5
Shubee
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Jul 28, 2009 -- 11:50PM, sincerly wrote:

There are NO SDA OFFICIAL BELIEFS WHICH ENDORSE SPIRITUALISM.


That is correct. And First Century Judaism had no official doctrine about sanctioning and/or encouraging perjurers to give false testimony in Roman courts of law and the Sanhedrin had no official right to sidestep Roman and Jewish Law for the immediate crucifixion of Jews that they didn't like. But Seventh-day Adventists do have an unwritten 29th fundamental belief, which is essentially spiritualistic, and it is used to punish the most inoffensive kinds of Adventist dissent.

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5 years ago  ::  Jul 29, 2009 - 1:14AM #6
sincerly
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Jul 29, 2009 -- 12:45AM, Shubee wrote:


Jul 28, 2009 -- 11:50PM, sincerly wrote:

There are NO SDA OFFICIAL BELIEFS WHICH ENDORSE SPIRITUALISM.


That is correct. And First Century Judaism had no official doctrine about sanctioning and/or encouraging perjurers to give false testimony in Roman courts of law and the Sanhedrin had no official right to sidestep Roman and Jewish Law for the immediate crucifixion of Jews that they didn't like. But Seventh-day Adventists do have an unwritten  29th fundamental belief which is essentially  spiritualistic, and it is used to punish the most inoffensive kinds of Adventist dissent.





Eugene, Satan was cast out of heaven for spreading ideas which were counter to GOD'S LAWS of LOVE.  All dissent is offensive----just as sin is offensive(little or major). Your activity by your own admission was subversive.


Where there is no law there is no infraction.  That "unwritten belief" is only a figment of your own imagination.

Peace,   Sincerly.      As long as sin is practiced, one will search for a means to validate the continuing therein. ANON

The greatest want of the world is the want of men--men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.---- ANON  (Ellen G. White. 1882)
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5 years ago  ::  Jul 29, 2009 - 1:51AM #7
Shubee
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Jul 29, 2009 -- 1:14AM, sincerly wrote:

Satan was cast out of heaven for spreading ideas which were counter to GOD'S LAWS of LOVE.


Did God first follow the policy later articulated by the Apostle Paul in 1 Timothy 5:20 or did God use the modern Seventh-day Adventist method to have Satan expelled?


Jul 29, 2009 -- 1:14AM, sincerly wrote:

All dissent is offensive


dissent, according to dictionary.reference.com/browse/dissent, means:


1. to differ in sentiment or opinion, esp. from the majority; withhold assent; disagree (often fol. by from): Two of the justices dissented from the majority decision.
2. to disagree with the methods, goals, etc., of a political party or government; take an opposing view.
3.  to disagree with or reject the doctrines or authority of an established church.


No doubt you believe in the "holy order" of the Seventh-day Adventist Church and that Jesus sinned by overturning the tables of the moneychangers.


Jul 29, 2009 -- 1:14AM, sincerly wrote:

Your activity by your own admission was subversive.


subversive
tending to subvert or advocating subversion, esp. in an attempt to overthrow or cause the destruction of an established or legally constituted government.


Synonyms:
traitorous, treacherous, seditious, destructive.


I can't imagine what you think you will receive in the Day of Judgment for your pathetic lies. You must be in that unfortunate state of mind called "lying for God" and 'think you're performing a service for God' (John 16:2).

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5 years ago  ::  Jul 29, 2009 - 3:14PM #8
sincerly
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Jul 29, 2009 -- 1:51AM, Shubee wrote:


Jul 29, 2009 -- 1:14AM, sincerly wrote:

Satan was cast out of heaven for spreading ideas which were counter to GOD'S LAWS of LOVE.


Did God first follow the policy later articulated by the Apostle Paul in 1 Timothy 5:20 or did God use the modern Seventh-day Adventist method to have Satan expelled?




The Desire of Ages (1898), page 759, paragraph 2



Chapter Title: "It is Finished"



It was God's purpose to place things on an eternal basis of security, and in the councils of heaven it was decided that time must be given for Satan to develop the principles which were the foundation of his system of government. He had claimed that these were superior to God's principles. Time was given for the working of Satan's principles, that they might be seen by the heavenly universe.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


 Eugene,  Your purposes have been seen and understood-----your posts are filled with the continuous same erroneous material.  You were not present, but the whole of the Richardson church then and since know of your false accusations and the errors which you expressed then and now----and those beliefs of yours are still wrong.(as I have examined and refuted since you came to these forums.)


 Dissent concerning GOD's Principles and laws is still not acceptable to GOD. 


 Your activity by your own admission was subversive-----you admitted that you defied and was passing out your erroneous material. 


The definitions of words doesn't change your actions or the errors of your articles.


 

Peace,   Sincerly.      As long as sin is practiced, one will search for a means to validate the continuing therein. ANON

The greatest want of the world is the want of men--men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.---- ANON  (Ellen G. White. 1882)
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5 years ago  ::  Jul 29, 2009 - 7:34PM #9
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Jul 29, 2009 -- 3:14PM, sincerly wrote:

The whole of the Richardson church then and since know of your false accusations and the errors which you expressed then and now


How in the world do you know that? I think it's obvious that any Adventist that derives his salvation through the "holy order," when seeing his salvation crumbling, would be desperate enough to manufacture every lie necessary to maintain his delusions.


It was God's purpose to place things on an eternal basis of security, and in the councils of heaven it was decided that time must be given for Satan to develop the principles which were the foundation of his system of government. He had claimed that these were superior to God's principles. Time was given for the working of Satan's principles, that they might be seen by the heavenly universe. — Ellen G. White, The Desire of Ages, p. 759.


So are you insinuating that God exercised patience and righteousness for the good of the universe but Seventh-day Adventists are free to follow Satan's methods because the ways of the prince of darkness are quicker and the great controversy was already settled at the cross?


Also, in your defense of the "holy order" and Satan's methods as practiced by the Seventh-day Adventist hierarchy, what is your understanding of Sister White calling you to repent?

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5 years ago  ::  Jul 31, 2009 - 1:33AM #10
sincerly
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Jul 29, 2009 -- 7:34PM, Shubee wrote:


Jul 29, 2009 -- 3:14PM, sincerly wrote:

The whole of the Richardson church then and since know of your false accusations and the errors which you expressed then and now



 How in the world do you know that? I think it's obvious that any Adventist that derives his salvation through the  "holy order," when seeing his salvation crumbling, would be desperate enough to manufacture every lie necessary to maintain his delusions.


It was God's purpose to place things on an eternal basis of security, and in the councils of heaven it was decided that time must be given for Satan to develop the principles which were the foundation of his system of government. He had claimed that these were superior to God's principles. Time was given for the working of Satan's principles, that they might be seen by the heavenly universe. — Ellen G. White, The Desire of Ages, p. 759.



 So are you insinuating that God exercised patience and righteousness for the good of the universe but  Seventh-day Adventists are free to follow Satan's methods because the ways of the prince of darkness are quicker and the great controversy was already settled at the cross?


Also,  what is your understanding of Sister White calling you to repent?





Eugene, you are saying that "everything important" hasn't been spread as far as you possibly can spread it? Haven't you made everyone aware of your site? and especially, those of the "THAT CHURCH"? It doesn't stop with the one church, but you have included every SDA Church in the "Organization" in you erroneous and slanderous claims.


I'm not insinuating anything. EGW is clear and Jesus was clear and the steps taken was those in the mind of Jesus. Your posts on these forums condemn you just as the "Church" did and you were arrested.


So what """" is your understanding of Sister White calling you to repent?""""" Only you can "REPENT" of your erroneous attitude and false claims concerning the OFFICIAL SDA CHURCH AND ITS MEMBERS.


 "Deceivers in the Church" are dealt with just as you were. NOT tolerated and left in the church.

Peace,   Sincerly.      As long as sin is practiced, one will search for a means to validate the continuing therein. ANON

The greatest want of the world is the want of men--men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.---- ANON  (Ellen G. White. 1882)
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