Jul 17, 2009 -- 6:02PM, sincerly wrote:

The type of reform you are promoting isn't directed toward A/the wayward person, but the Church Organization.

I don't recall ever complaining about the Church's hierarchical structure. But I do have a message that displeases the hierarchy.

"For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Seventh-day Adventist leadership, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."

Jul 17, 2009 -- 6:02PM, sincerly wrote:

There isn't a corruption in the Organization as you erroneously have posted.

Evidently, your reading skills are appalling and/or you refuse to read and understand the testimony of Jesus.

Jul 25, 2009 -- 9:05AM, samuelbb7 wrote:

So you are comparing yourself to JESUS CHRIST.

Sincerly has accused me of doing what Jesus did. I suppose there are parallels. You tell me:  How was Christ Treated in the Seventh-day Adventist Church?

David Koresh and the Sheperd rods made the same accusations against the leadership of the Church.  Any group who is agitating they are right accuses the leadership as also Walter Rea and Desmond Ford did. They could use the same exact verses since they say they are trying to correct false doctrine.

The spirit of hatred shown by a person often shows where they are coming from.

Jul 26, 2009 -- 10:06AM, Shubee wrote:

Jul 26, 2009 -- 8:54AM, samuelbb7 wrote:

David Koresh and the Sheperd rods made the same accusations against the leadership of the Church.

I'm aware of no greater criticism against the Seventh-day Adventist leadership than The Seal of God by Ellen G. White.

Eugene, EGW's excerpts are correct------Again, it is your application which is erroneous. Those Excerpts were NOT criticizing the SDA CHURCH/PEOPLE other than where they were following the world----departing or separating themselves from the Truth of the SDA Beliefs as revealed in the Scriptures.

You certainly aren't humbly investigating the facts, discussing the ideas, asking questions or confessing that you might be wrong.

 Sincerly Wrote: It is because I have investigated the "facts" that I Find your posts in error.

Eugene Wrote: I agree. And have you noticed that most of my critics behave as if they are controlled by demons? I mean, is it a sign of a sane mind or a true psychopath to keep following me around and posting off-topic to all my discussions ad nauseam and is it Christian for someone to keep saying ad nauseam that he has shown where I am erroneous in my presentations but never posts a link to the alleged rebuttals?<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Eugene, you are posting on the SDA Forums----I don't follow you around, but I will give a rebuttal to your erroneous material when you post it. You have given the link to the quoted material which is incorrectly used-------just read it all in context for the "true" rebuttal.

Again, this isn't the correct forum for your debate material. "Off-topic" isn't----when the material is "rebuttal".

Jul 27, 2009 -- 9:22AM, samuelbb7 wrote:

I am not saying that Sister White did not rebuke the Leadership in the SDA church.

That's an amazingly ridiculous understatement since The Seal of God by Ellen G. White predicts an extraordinarily severe judgment on the Seventh-day Adventist hierarchy:

Here we see that the church—the Lord's sanctuary—was the first to feel the stroke of the wrath of God. The ancient men, those to whom God had given great light and who had stood as guardians of the spiritual interests of the people, had betrayed their trust. They had taken the position that we need not look for miracles and the marked manifestation of God's power as in former days. Times have changed. These words strengthen their unbelief, and they say: The Lord will not do good, neither will He do evil. He is too merciful to visit His people in judgment. Thus "Peace and safety" is the cry from men who will never again lift up their voice like a trumpet to show God's people their transgressions and the house of Jacob their sins. These dumb dogs that would not bark are the ones who feel the just vengeance of an offended God. Men, maidens, and little children all perish together. {5T 211.2}

No superiority of rank, dignity, or worldly wisdom, no position in sacred office, will preserve men from sacrificing principle when left to their own deceitful hearts. Those who have been regarded as worthy and righteous prove to be ring-leaders in apostasy and examples in indifference and in the abuse of God's mercies. Their wicked course He will tolerate no longer, and in His wrath He deals with them without mercy. {5T 212.1}

It is with reluctance that the Lord withdraws His presence from those who have been blessed with great light and who have felt the power of the word in ministering to others. They were once His faithful servants, favored with His presence and guidance; but they departed from Him and led others into error, and therefore are brought under the divine displeasure. {5T 212.2}

Jul 27, 2009 -- 9:22AM, samuelbb7 wrote:

I am pointing out that taking only her negative comments and not her positive ones is unbalanced posting.

Since you and sincerly seem to be in that large faction of Seventh-day Adventists that trust in the holy Adventist order for your salvation, and since there aren't any Spirit of prophecy statements that alleviate the force of The Seal of God, it makes me believe that you should be alerted to your Roman Catholic faith. Wouldn't it be wise to just deal with the reality of what is instead of trying to deny it?

Jul 27, 2009 -- 9:22AM, samuelbb7 wrote:

I have seen negative comments made. Not actually statement of specific charges. … What are the specific charges and what proof do you have?

You do not understand the purpose of this thread. I am here to document the unthinking Seventh-day Adventist hostility to the respectful challenge stated in the opening post, much like Luke 4:14-30, and the Seventh-day Adventist reverence for the "holy order."