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4 years ago  ::  May 28, 2009 - 8:13PM #1
djconklin1950
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1) SDA's consider themselves to be the only true, remnant church. All others will be condemned in time.
SDA's use the term "church" in a number of ways. You can find these in any dictionary: one is to refer to the building, the second refers to the congregants in a specific building, the third refers to a denomination, the last refers to the body of believers in Christ--it is the latter that we refer to as being the remnant. There as some churches that teach that only their denomination will be saved. We teach that not even all SDA's will be saved. The critics are hoping you don't know that. If you are going to assume anything, assume that the critics won't be telling you the whole truth and nothing but the truth.


2) SDA's will make your salvation dependent on observing the Saturday Sabbath, worshiping with them.
The SDA church teaches that your salvation depends on your faith in Jesus Christ. The reason you need to be saved is because you sin (the critics gloss over that; sort of an I'm okay, you're okay). One of the sins you committ is your refusal to worship your Creator on His Sabbath day. Revelation 14:7 "Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters."


3) If you receive Christ as your Savior through SDA's, only your past sins are forgiven by grace up to that point.
Actually, it is only your confessed and repented sins that are forgiven. Do a word study on "repent" (Luke 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.) One can hardly repent of sins you don't know about yet (because you haven't committed them yet and been convicted that they are sins.)


4) As an SDA you now enter a period of "investigative judgment" where every deed you do or don't do is recorded for judgment day.
The Bible says: Revelation 20:12 "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works." The critics who make this claim either don't know the Bible, or they are playing a game with your head hoping that you don't know what the Bible says.


5) As an SDA you will be judged even for "idle moments" where you could have been more obedient.
Why would you want to be indolent?


6) As an SDA you will be encouraged to become a vegetarian.
Modern medical and deitary advice tell you that one. In fact, it now turns out that if you wish to fight global warming you should cut down on eating red meat.


7) SDA's will gloss over the scripture that says "...he who is weak in faith eats vegetables only..."(Romans 14:2).
Actually, we do not "gloss over" the verse--note that the critics can't show where we do that. They can't because it isn't true. Secondly, note that the critic doesn't tell which translation they are using. The KJV uses the word "herbs."


8) SDA's will expect you to revere their founding prophetess, Ellen G. White, viewing her as having the "spirit of prophecy" referred to in the Bible book of Revelation.
If you do "revere" Ellen G. White you have proven that you haven't understood hat SDA's teach or what Elen G. White herself said:
"Lay Sister White right to one side: lay her to one side. Don't you never [sic] quote my words again as long as you live, until you can obey the Bible. When you take the Bible and make that your food, and your meat, and your drink, and you make that the elements of your character, when you can do that you will know better how to receive some counsel from God. But here is the Word, the precious Word, exalted before you today. And don't you give a rap any more what 'Sister White Said' -'Sister White said this,' and 'Sister White said that,' and 'Sister White said the other thing'. But say, 'Thus saith the Lord God of Israel.' Spalding and Magan Collection
So fundamentally, this whole claim is an outright lie.


9) In spite of revering Ellen G. White, SDA's won't ordain women.
Since SDA's don't revere Ellen G. White in the first place the argument is false. Philip had 4 daughters who were prophets and yet there's no case in the NT where females were priests in the church. In the OT there were female prophets and there weren't any female priests.


10) SDA's won't tell you that EGW is a proven false prophetess. Her embarrassing early writings have been altered to cover this up.
Since Ellen G. White has not been "proven" to be a false prophetess, this claim is a lie. Note that the do not provide any examples for their claim--this is typical of the critics.


11) SDA's won't tell you that they once denied the Trinity. Left over from that time period is the heresy that Jesus Christ is Michael.
When did SDA's deny the Trinity? Note again, the usual lack of proof.


12) SDA's have attempted to incorporate this false doctrine of Jesus being Michael by manipulation of scriptures, so EGW can be correct in their eyes when she says Michael is an OT name for Jesus. Shades of Jehovah's Witnesses!
Where's the proof that Scripture has been manipulated? Note that this is a big deal for critics, but not SDA's.
"The archangel Michael's identity has been debated through the centuries. Both Ellen White and many non-Adventist Bible scholars equate Michael with Christ. This view does not require any lessening of Christ's full deity." See www.whiteestate.org/issues/video.html #21.


13) SDA's won't tell you that an early Adventist (Nelson H. Barbour) co-published with the founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Both proved to be false prophets. False date-setting caused them to part company.
Clever ploy to make you think that Barbour as an SDA. "Nelson H. Barbour was never a Seventh-day Adventist. He was an Advent Christian." See www.whiteestate.org/issues/video.html, #22. Where's the proof that irt was "false date-setting" that "caused them to part"? "Barbour and Russell associated together until 1878 when they parted ways over conflicting views on Ransom and Atonement doctrine." See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_H._Barbour.


14) SDA's won't tell you that early Adventists expected the literal second coming of Christ in 1843 and 1844 only to be disappointed.
The SDA church wasn't formed till 1863, so how could the SDA church expect Christ to come in 1843 or 1844? Again, as usual, the critics aren't telling you the whole truth and nothing but the truth. What the critics aren't telling you is that over 2,000 pastors and preachers across denominational lines expected Jesus to come then (based on a time prophecy in Daneil).


15) SDA's won't tell you that their 1844 "investigative judgment" teaching was born out of an attempt to cover over this false prophecy. Instead of repenting over this false date, the claim was made that Christ really came, but INVISIBLY in heaven.
Since there was no attempt to "cover over" anything this claim is false.


16) Their founder, Ellen G. White, prior to the failed prophecy, taught that the door to salvation was shut. This had to be reinterpreted and altered after the failure of 1844.
Actually, it was after the expectation of the interpretation of the prophecy failed and it only referred to those who had rejected the propechies of Daniel. And it only lasted about seven months.


17) A former SDA pastor, Walter Rea, examining the prolific writings of EGW, found that she had plagiarized most of what she had written, including drawings of her "visions" from other authors.
He merely "claimed" to have found that, he didn't prove it. In 13 cases Ellen G. White of plagiarism even when she does give her sources and the sources she gives is ifferent than what Rea says was her source. Also, Rea, has manipulated and distroted the sources to make them appear more like what Ellen G. White wrote. In one case, he cites the work done by Donald Casebolt in which a sentence from Ellen G. White was inserted into her alleged source! See dedication.www3.50megs.com/David/index.h... for details.


18) The SDA Church has yet to reply to his challenge to prove that even 20% of her writings are original.
I have (see dedication.www3.50megs.com/David/index.h...) and the burden of proof lies with those making the claim. So, in this case he has to prove that 80% came from others.


19) The explanation of the SDA Church for her plagiarism, that there were no copyright laws back then does not excuse her "borrowing".
Note that he doesn't say where the SDA church ever said such a thing. Secondly, it is false. There were copyright laws back then and as Dr. Robert Macfarlane shows in his book "Original Copy: Plagiarism and Originality ion the Nineteenth Century" the writers of the time debated over what wsa legit. He shows that they agreed that borrowing was allowed (and the courts have agreed).


20) The SDA Church made this statement in their "Ministry" magazine of Oct. 1981 and has never retracted it.
How can they retract what they didn't say?


21) One former SDA Pastor reported that he was given a choice between the Bible or the writings of EGW. When he chose the Bible, he was excommunicated from the SDA church.
If I said that the pastor was subsequently burned at the stake would you believe it? Where's the proof for this claim? Who was this pastor? Why aren't we told his name? What do they have to hide?


22) Ellen G. White's main emphasis was on diet. She taught "...if we subsist largely upon the flesh of dead animals, we shall partake of their nature".(Counsels on Diet & Foods. p. 390 in some editions).
As they say in computer programming: garbage in, gabage out. Or, as the world says: you are what you eat (try: www.bbcamerica.com/content/273/index.jsp).


23) SDA's will gloss over the fact that the Apostle Paul had a different view stating,"Eat anything that is sold in the meat market, without asking questions for conscience' sake".(1 Cor. 10:25)
Paul was talking about food that was offered to idols. Some of the believers thought that by buying those foods and eating them that it was tandamount to worshippng them. The critics are hoping that you'll take a superficial look at the words and fail to consider the historical and cultural contexts like they have.


24) Most of Ellen G. White's concerns over diet were in an effort to control what she considered to be an excessive sex drive in the male.
Note the lack of proof.


25) She devoted endless pages to discussing "secret vice" (masturbation) and blamed the practice for a wide range of diseases.


26) Dr. Kellogg and his brother were influenced by EGW to create their famous cold cereal, not considered to be stimulating.
As usual the critics don't know the history very well and they are hoping you won't either. Try "In 1894, Kellogg was trying to improve the diet of hospital patients. He was searching for a digestible bread substitute using the process of boiling wheat." inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bl...


27) Ellen G. White consulted a phrenologist to have the bumps on her head read. This was just another one of her strange "health" views.
Never happened. Another bald-faced lie by the critics. See www.whiteestate.org/books/mol/Chapt43.ht...


28) The SDA's continue to cling to views similar to the Jehovah's Witnesses, such as "soul sleep" and denying the reality of Hell. Jesus, however, taught more about hellfire than He taught about heaven.
I have no idea what JW's believe. Why are the critics so familiar with them? Where's the proof that the two have the "same" belief?
On "soul sleep "this doctrine as taught by various individuals through the Christian era, see LeRoy E. Froom, The Conditionalist Faith of Our Fathers (www.adventistarchives.org/documents.asp?...), vols. 1-2, 1965, 1966." From www.whiteestate.org/issues/video.html, # 27.


29) SDA's won't tell you that their new "Clear Word Bible" is really the teachings of Ellen G. White inserted right into the Bible text, so her heresies appear to be the word of God to the unwary.
"The cover and title page of J. J. Blanco's The Clear Word clearly [but the critics won't tell any of this:] identify his work as "an expanded paraphrase of the Bible." It is published in the author's name, not the name of the church. The first sentence of the preface reads, "This is not a new translation but an interpretive paraphrase of the Scriptures." Seventh-day Adventists have never produced their own version of the Bible. In her lifetime, Ellen White made use of the various translations available." See www.whiteestate.org/issues/video.html #19.


30) SDA's won't tell you that you will be required to lead a life of incredible legalism, attempting to keep the Old Law Covenant with all its restrictions.
SDA's teach that you are saved by faith vs. the cheap grace teaching of some who seem to think that you can sin with abandon and still be saved.


31) SDA's won't tell you that they need to rely heavily on the Old Testament since the New Testament teaches the fulfillment of the Law in Jesus Christ. We are now under grace, not the Law.
The reason we are under grace is because we have broken the Law and asked God for forgiveness.


32) SDA's teach that Christ did not completely atone for our sins on the cross of Calvary, in spite of the fact that He cried out "It is finished!".( John 19:30 ).
Note the lack of proof for this claim--it doesn't exist.
"We are to rejoice that the atonement is complete; and believing in Christ as our complete Saviour, we may know that the Father loves us, even as He loves His Son."--Review and Herald, Nov. 11, 1890 (emphasis supplied).
"Do you realize your sinfulness? Do you despise sin? Then remember that the righteousness of Christ is yours if you will grasp it. Can you not see what a strong foundation is placed beneath your feet when you accept Christ? God has accepted the offering of His Son as a complete atonement for the sins of the world."--The Youth's Instructor, Sept. 20, 1900 (emphasis supplied).


33) SDA's teach that we will have to stand in the presence of the living God for judgment without a mediator.(The Great Controversy).
The Bible says: Revelation 22:11 "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still." He actually comes later.


34) SDA's gloss over 1 John 21, which states "...And if any man sin, we have an advocate (mediator) with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous."
Actually, SDA's teach that Christ is our mediator andplace it within the OT sanctuary service.


35) To try to make their false prophecies on the 2300 days in Daniel work, SDA's misinterpret the Hebrew words "ereb boqer", for "days" into "years". However. these words literally mean "evenings-mornings". Obviously 2300 actual solar days of 24 hours each, not years as SDA's claim. This spoils 1844 and the "investigative judgment" theories.
Actually, it is the KJV that has the word "days". And the Hebrew is in the singular, not plural.


The above took me less than an hour.

When the critics have proven to be so wrong, so many times, and on some really simple stuff, why should we trust them on the more complex?
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4 years ago  ::  Jul 24, 2009 - 11:49AM #2
djconklin1950
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The latest claim I ran into was that the Conflict of the Ages series was "compiled by others."

When the critics have proven to be so wrong, so many times, and on some really simple stuff, why should we trust them on the more complex?
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4 years ago  ::  Sep 05, 2009 - 3:46PM #3
djconklin1950
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A list of whoppers told about Ellen White.


We now know that the following claims are false (or so outrageous as to need no rebuttal (see #31)): 


1.   That Ellen G. White was a plagiarist. 


2.   That Ellen G. White plagiarized by paraphrasing. 


3.   That Ellen G. White was a millionaire. 


4.   That Ellen G. White was accumulating property while telling everyone else not to. 


5.   That Fannie Bolton wrote Steps to Christ.


6.   That Ellen G. White engaged in "wholesale plagiarism" of Conybeare and Howson. 


7.   That Ellen G. White was threatened with a lawsuit over her alleged plagiarism. 


8.   That Ellen G. White took a dozen servants with her to Australia. 


9.   That Ellen G. White plagiarized 80-90% ("and possibly more" according to some web sites). 


10. That Ellen G. White predicted the San Francisco earthquake after it happened. 


11. That Ellen G. White said only vegetarians will be saved.


12. That Ellen G. White said only sabbatarians will be saved. 


13. That the Library of Congress wouldn't allow Ellen G. White's book The Great Controversy into the library because of the plagiarisms involved. 


14. That an entire chapter of Sketches from the Life of Paul was "taken entirely" from a sermon by Melvill. 


15. That the claim that "there is no point in the entire chapter that had not already come to Mevill before" Ellen G. White. 


16. That Ellen G. White saw people on Jupiter. 


17. That Ellen G. White made repeated claims that Jesus was coming in specific years. 


18. That Ellen G. White asked Washburn and Crisler to undertake a research of the Life of Christ and then appropriated it and published it as Desire of Ages. 


19. That Ellen G. White contradicted Scripture (53, or 75, or "much more than 75") times. 


20. That Ellen G. White contradicted herself. 


21. That Ellen G. White predicted that England would enter into the American Civil War. 


22. That Ellen G. White copied her first vision from Foy; out of 6 examples listed that Foy said the claimant got one right. 


23. or, did she copy it from Joseph Smith? Even the Mormon scholars who have looked at it don't believe it. 


24. That Ellen G. White predicted that someone would be healed (and yet he died). 


25. That SDA's "worship" Ellen G. White. 


26. That Dr. Veltman proved Ellen G. White plagiarized. 


27. That Ellen G. White's visions were the result of a head injury during childhood. 


28. That Ellen G. White was a follower of Joseph Smith. 


29. That Ellen G. White wrote that "The Civil War is a sign that Jesus is about to return." 


30. That Ellen G. White called Jesus "Michael the Archangel" (Desire of Ages pp. 99, 379; Spiritual Gifts Vol. 1, p. 158; Prophets & Kings p. 572)


            1) There's no reference to Michael the archangel in DA on page 379.


            2) There's no equation between Christ & Michael in Spiritual Gifts Vol. 1, p. 158 or Prophets & Kings p. 572. 


31. "Not to mention the Mason Illuminati influence on EGW toilet paper teachings!!" 


32. "But from her own mouth, she was a racist." 


33. Alleged quote from EGW: {EGW: Lazarus, leads the donkey at the triumphal entry into Jerusalem. The healed dumb shouted the loudest, healed blind led the way and the healed cripples broke the most branches. "}  Can't be found. 


34. Another alleged quote from EGW {EGW: Man healed on the Sabbath, forgot it was Sabbath. "In his joy the man had forgotten that it was the Sabbath; yet he felt no condemnation for obeying the command of One who had such power from God." DA, p.203.}  The unquoted part isn't in her book and yet the critics condemned her for it.


35. "Seeing this, in the light of her calling Him "Michael the Archangel" (Desire of Ages pp. 99, 379; Spiritual Gifts Vol. 1, p. 158; Prophets & Kings p. 572)"  Unfortunately for the critic there was no mention of  Michael in DA page 379, or in 1 SG 158, and there was no equation of Jesus with Michael in PK, 572.


36.  Another alleged material from EGW: {EGW: THE SISTER OF MARTHA AND LAZARUS, WAS MARY MAGDALENE, AND SHE WAS LED INTO SIN BY SIMON. DA, p. 566,568.}  She doesn't.


You can prove that some of the above claims are false with as little as 5 minutes of work.  The critics, however, will never spend that 5 minutes and will never admit that any of the above are false (even if they never made the claims themselves!).

When the critics have proven to be so wrong, so many times, and on some really simple stuff, why should we trust them on the more complex?
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4 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2009 - 7:29AM #4
Sephiroth666
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May 28, 2009 -- 8:13PM, djconklin1950 wrote:


1) SDA's consider themselves to be the only true, remnant church. All others will be condemned in time.
SDA's use the term "church" in a number of ways. You can find these in any dictionary: one is to refer to the building, the second refers to the congregants in a specific building, the third refers to a denomination, the last refers to the body of believers in Christ--it is the latter that we refer to as being the remnant. There as some churches that teach that only their denomination will be saved. We teach that not even all SDA's will be saved. The critics are hoping you don't know that. If you are going to assume anything, assume that the critics won't be telling you the whole truth and nothing but the truth.


OH Yes, and ONLY the SDA's who keep the sabbath are the remnant seed church, the saints, right? Your God is pathetic!!!!!!


2) SDA's will make your salvation dependent on observing the Saturday Sabbath, worshiping with them.
The SDA church teaches that your salvation depends on your faith in Jesus Christ. The reason you need to be saved is because you sin (the critics gloss over that; sort of an I'm okay, you're okay).


What are you saying that we are some terrible disease and we are somehow not okay or ill to be touched, some defiled rat or PIG?????? That's a terrible and disgusting narrow and ill point of view, that somehow you guys are the only ones okay, and everyone else is evil or ill. That's strictly CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!Undecided


One of the sins you committ is your refusal to worship your Creator on His Sabbath day.


Therefeore we ust DIE, yeah, we must therefore get sent plagues, detah, mournong torment affliction distress and sorrw, amd get burnt in the lake of fire, which is also 1,000 times as crazy!!@!@@@


Revelation 14:7 "Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters." NOTongue out


And lemme guess, if you simply refuse and don wanna you die, right? manipulator and control freak.


3) If you receive Christ as your Savior through SDA's, only your past sins are forgiven by grace up to that point.
Actually, it is only your confessed and repented sins that are forgiven. Do a word study on "repent" (Luke 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.) One can hardly repent of sins you don't know about yet (because you haven't committed them yet and been convicted that they are sins.)


4) As an SDA you now enter a period of "investigative judgment" where every deed you do or don't do is recorded for judgment day.
The Bible says: Revelation 20:12 "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works." The critics who make this claim either don't know the Bible, or they are playing a game with your head hoping that you don't know what the Bible says.


5) As an SDA you will be judged even for "idle moments" where you could have been more obedient.
Why would you want to be indolent?


Because we wanna be, that's y!


6) As an SDA you will be encouraged to become a vegetarian.
Modern medical and deitary advice tell you that one. In fact, it now turns out that if you wish to fight global warming you should cut down on eating red meat.


HAHHAHAHHAHAALOLOLOLOOLOLYEAH RIGHT!!!!!!!!Embarassed4U


7) SDA's will gloss over the scripture that says "...he who is weak in faith eats vegetables only..."(Romans 14:2).
Actually, we do not "gloss over"YES U DO the verse--note that the critics can't show where we do that. They can't because it isn't true. Secondly, note that the critic doesn't tell which translation they are using. The KJV uses the word "herbs."... which is right along the lines of vegetables


8) SDA's will expect you to revere their founding prophetess, Ellen G. White, viewing her as having the "spirit of prophecy" referred to in the Bible book of Revelation.
If you do "revere" Ellen G. White you have proven that you haven't understood hat SDA's teach or what Elen G. White herself said:
"Lay Sister White right to one side: lay her to one side. Don't you never [sic] quote my words again as long as you live, until you can obey the Bible. When you take the Bible and make that your food, and your meat, and your drink, and you make that the elements of your character, when you can do that you will know better how to receive some counsel from God. But here is the Word, the precious Word, exalted before you today. And don't you give a rap any more what 'Sister White Said' -'Sister White said this,' and 'Sister White said that,' and 'Sister White said the other thing'. But say, 'Thus saith the Lord God of Israel.' Spalding and Magan Collection
So fundamentally, this whole claim is an outright lie.


 


NO, you guys worship her!


9) In spite of revering Ellen G. White, SDA's won't ordain women.
Since SDA's don't revere Ellen G. White in the first place the argument is false. yes you guys do Philip had 4 daughters who were prophets and yet there's no case in the NT where females were priests in the church. In the OT there were female prophets and there weren't any female priests.


10) SDA's won't tell you that EGW is a proven false prophetess. Her embarrassing early writings have been altered to cover this up.
Since Ellen G. White has not been "proven" to be a false prophetess, this claim is a lie. Note that the do not provide any examples for their claim--this is typical of the critics.


BS, no sunday worshippers have attacked yet, nor will they. If Satan and his angels are the beast, and are sunday worshippers, why in the hell would they lower theirselves too god's level and kill people because they do not worship on a certain day??????


11) SDA's won't tell you that they once denied the Trinity. Left over from that time period is the heresy that Jesus Christ is Michael.
When did SDA's deny the Trinity? Note again, the usual lack of proof.


By saying jesus christ is Michael, they mess up the flow and circulation of the trinty.They have an angel as gods son.


 


 


 

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 12, 2009 - 5:19PM #5
sincerly
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 Place me in the hands of the living, Loving Creator God----rather than the lying evil father of lies.

Peace,   Sincerly.      As long as sin is practiced, one will search for a means to validate the continuing therein. ANON

The greatest want of the world is the want of men--men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.---- ANON  (Ellen G. White. 1882)
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4 years ago  ::  Sep 12, 2009 - 11:32PM #6
Sephirothandvegeta666
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Sep 12, 2009 -- 5:19PM, sincerly wrote:


 Place me in the hands of the living, Loving Creator God----rather than the lying evil father of lies.




  Please leave me under Satan's artful watchful eye, rather than in the hands of a deranged looney psycho of a false god hell bent on killing all who do not follow him. 

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 21, 2009 - 8:30PM #7
djconklin1950
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Newest whopper: Mrs. White also says of pork that it is nourishing and strengthening food:Testimonies, Volume 1, p.206

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 21, 2009 - 8:33PM #8
djconklin1950
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>and ONLY the SDA's who keep the sabbath are the remnant seed church, the saints, right?


Nope.


1) There's about 2 dozen other denominations that keep the Sabbath. 


2) The word "church" has a number of meanings and since SDA teach that not even a majority of SDA's (not one in twenty) are ready to be saved, we don't even think that all of those on the books will be saved.

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3 years ago  ::  Mar 08, 2010 - 11:21PM #9
David
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OH Yes, and ONLY the SDA's who keep the sabbath are the remnant seed church, the saints, right? Your God is pathetic!!!!!!



Nope, we don't teach that.  We don't even believe that all SDA's will be saved.

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3 years ago  ::  Mar 10, 2010 - 9:17AM #10
David
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Please leave me under Satan's artful watchful eye, rather than in the hands of a deranged looney psycho of a false god hell bent on killing all who do not follow him. 



What you have described is Satan.  Even the animals and plants aren't immune to his hatred for they bring glory to God just by being.

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