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6 years ago  ::  Mar 19, 2009 - 7:27PM #1
Shubee
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Just when you thought it was safe to be an Adventist comes the latest self-proclaimed research article by Eugene Shubert, a teacher from Richardson, TX who calls himself "the new William Miller." In his article, he writes that "The Seventh-day Adventist church is composed of seven distinct spiritual factions: Subversives, Legalists, Spiritualists, Papists, Pacifists, Sheeple and true Seventh-day Adventists." He adds, "Ellen White predicted that true Seventh-day Adventists will be a very small minority and that the majority of those who call themselves Seventh-day Adventists will apostatize. More here...


Source: Atoday, Adventist News Roundup,

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6 years ago  ::  Mar 24, 2009 - 6:15PM #2
samuelbb7
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It is a sad but true fact that Churches are not perfect. The Seventh day Adventist is no exception. I can walk into any Baptist church and find Legalist who are upset about certain actions of other members. I can find people who are there in name only but who live like the rest of the world the other six days of the week. Check out the Barna report if you do not believe that.


 


Now my SDA brother adds some more categories and makes other charges. But since I an mot responding to him they make no difference here.  Suffice to say that I and my church Preaches JESUS CHRIST and Him Crucified. Raised on the Third day to be our High Priest in heaven at the right hand of the Father.


Hypocrites are the worst enemy of the church. Not those who attack from outside.

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6 years ago  ::  Mar 24, 2009 - 7:19PM #3
spudette
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Amen, Samuel. That's why Jesus told the parable of the Wheat and the Tares. We don't need to try to figure out who is wheat and who is tares. All we need to do is keep our eyes on Jesus, and He will surely show the way.


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6 years ago  ::  Mar 24, 2009 - 7:30PM #4
Shubee
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samuelbb7 wrote:

Now my SDA brother adds some more categories and makes other charges.


The categories and charges are from Sister White. And your objections are what exactly? I take it that you have no interest in Sister White's teaching on the straight testimony and that you have nothing but disrespect for Adventists that pursue that study.


Suffice to say that I and my church Preaches JESUS CHRIST and Him Crucified.


Yet some Adventist churches hate those that preach the true gospel. Does your Jesus appeal to the state to punish those that are resisting pan-Gnostic Adventist spiritualism?


Hypocrites are the worst enemy of the church.

Hypocrisy is such an immense, full-spectrum category in our church, it really doesn't make sense to say that hypocrites are the worst enemies of the church.

Rather than accepting such an obvious contradiction, shouldn't Adventists embrace the Spirit of prophecy instead? Sister White wrote:

"The worst enemies we have are those who are trying to destroy the influence of the watchmen upon the walls of Zion." 5T 294.

Those who are trying to destroy the influence of the watchmen of the church are indeed hypocrites. The question is how can we make these Adventists understand that they shouldn't oppose the testimonies of God's Spirit as found in compilations from the writings of Ellen G. White?

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6 years ago  ::  Mar 25, 2009 - 1:07PM #5
samuelbb7
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Mar 24, 2009 -- 7:30PM, Shubee wrote:


samuelbb7 wrote:

Hypocrites are the worst enemy of the church.

Hypocrisy is such an immense, full-spectrum category in our church, it really doesn't make sense to say that hypocrites are the worst enemies of the church.

Rather than accepting such an obvious contradiction, shouldn't Adventists embrace the Spirit of prophecy instead? Ellen White wrote:

"The worst enemies we have are those who are trying to destroy the influence of the watchmen upon the walls of Zion." 5T 294.

Those who are trying to destroy the influence of the watchmen upon the walls of Zion are indeed hypocrites. The question is how can we make these Adventists understand that they shouldn't oppose the testimonies of God's Spirit as found in compilations from the writings of Ellen G. White?




As you point out it will be hypocrites who try to destroy the influence of watchmen on the walls.  We cannot make anyone understand. It is the Power of the HOLY SPIRIT and the Fear of GOD that brings understanding.  We can speak and pray. 


But since many refused to listen to JESUS while He was here on earth it makes no sense to me to try to say we can convince people of the truth.


We must stand for truth in love and kindness to others. For we do not know which will listen and which are hardened in their hearts.  But too often many argue and fuss and fume instead of working in love for others.  To label others is to follow the Course of Satan and become an accuser of the Brethren.  Only GOD knows who are His.

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6 years ago  ::  Mar 25, 2009 - 7:49PM #6
Shubee
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We don't need to try to figure out who is wheat and who is tares.

Jesus said, “Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the Sadducees” (Matthew 16:6).

I don't see any wrongdoing in the Spirit of prophecy explanation of who the Pharisees and the Sadducees were and what their errors were.


To label others is to follow the Course of Satan and become an accuser of the Brethren.


The issue here is the testimony of God's Spirit, which you are speaking against. Sister White wrote:


"There will be a hatred kindled against the testimonies which is satanic. The workings of Satan will be to unsettle the faith of the churches in them, for this reason: Satan cannot have so clear a track to bring in his deceptions and bind up souls in his delusions if the warnings and reproofs and counsels of the Spirit of God are heeded." — Letter 40, 1890.

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6 years ago  ::  Apr 08, 2009 - 1:49PM #7
sincerly
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Shubee wrote: Just when you thought it was safe to be an Adventist comes the latest self-proclaimed research article by Eugene Shubert, a teacher from Richardson, TX who calls himself "the new William Miller." In his article, he writes that "The Seventh-day Adventist church is composed of seven distinct spiritual factions: Subversives, Legalists, Spiritualists, Papists, Pacifists, Sheeple and true Seventh-day Adventists." He adds, "Ellen White predicted that true Seventh-day Adventists will be a very small minority and that the majority of those who call themselves Seventh-day Adventists will apostatize.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Shubert, Why are you attempting to deceive people(writing in the 3rd person) that you aren't the same as "shubee" on these forums??? Your site still reeks with rotten fruit with "Reformed SDAism"


Let's see what EGW said about "true SDAs":



Manuscript Releases Volume Thirteen [Nos. 1000-1080] (1990), page 11, paragraph 1



Chapter Title: MR No. 1001 - The Necessity of a Close Walk with God



"They went out from us, but they were not of us" [1 John 2:19]. Men of true Christian principle will take their place, and will become faithful, trustworthy householders, to advocate the Word of God in its true bearings and in its simplicity. The Lord will work so that the disaffected ones will be separated from the true and loyal ones. Those who, like Cornelius, will fear God and glorify Him, will take their places. The ranks will not be diminished. Those who are firm and true will close up the vacancies that are made by those who become offended and apostatize.






Spalding and Magan Collection (1985), page 207, paragraph 4



Christ declared, "They went out from us, but they were not of us." Men of true Christian principles will take their places, and will become faithful, trustworthy householders, to advocate the word of God in its true bearings, and in its simplicity. The Lord will work so that the disaffected ones will be separated from the true and loyal ones. Those who, like Cornelius, will fear God and glorify him, will take their places. The ranks will not be diminished. Those who are firm and true will close up the vacancies that are made by those who become offended and apostatize."


 Shubert, your claims are false-----here on these forums and at your site.(concerning EGW).


  


 

Peace,   Sincerly.      As long as sin is practiced, one will search for a means to validate the continuing therein. ANON

The greatest want of the world is the want of men--men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.---- ANON  (Ellen G. White. 1882)
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6 years ago  ::  Apr 08, 2009 - 4:49PM #8
samuelbb7
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JESUS in the Parable of the wheat and the tares says the same thing. But in less detail. In the parable of the wedding supper there are still those who pretend to be Christian but are not.


What we need to do is concentrate on looking to JESUS.

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6 years ago  ::  Apr 08, 2009 - 6:45PM #9
Shubee
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Sister White wrote:

"They went out from us, but they were not of us" [1 John 2:19]. Men of true Christian principle will take their place, and will become faithful, trustworthy householders, to advocate the Word of God in its true bearings and in its simplicity. The Lord will work so that the disaffected ones will be separated from the true and loyal ones. Those who, like Cornelius, will fear God and glorify Him, will take their places. The ranks will not be diminished. Those who are firm and true will close up the vacancies that are made by those who become offended and apostatize. — Ms 97, 1898, p. 6.

This is a true statement. There is certainly no contradiction with The Seven Faces of Seventh-day Adventism. Sister White also wrote (in 1893) that not even one in twenty Seventh-day Adventist Church members were saved:

"It is a solemn statement that I make to the church, that not one in twenty whose names are registered upon the church books are prepared to close their earthly history, and would be as verily without God and without hope in the world as the common sinner." — ChS 41 (1893).

Obviously, the percentage of saved Adventists is much smaller today if Sister White's testimony about the great endtime apostasy is true:

"The Lord has warned me that there will come a great apostasy. There will come a falling away in spirituality. Many will turn away their ears from hearing the truth, and will accept fables." — E.G.W., Letter 338, (To J. H. Kellogg, December 22, 1905).

For a survey of the most dangerous fables that many Seventh-day Adventists believe, see The Spiritualism of Adventism


What we need to do is concentrate on looking to JESUS.


Aren't you detracting from the testimonies of God's Spirit? Shouldn't we respect Spiritual gifts? I see nothing wrong with the writings of Sister White.

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6 years ago  ::  Apr 10, 2009 - 1:09AM #10
sincerly
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Shubee, SDA's have no problem with the writings of EGW---It is your site which claims to NOT TO BE in CONTRADICTION to her writings, BUT DEFINITELY IS that I and others have shown to be such. 


Sister White wrote:  "They went out from us, but they were not of us" [1 John 2:19]. Men of true Christian principle will take their place, and will become faithful, trustworthy householders, to advocate the Word of God in its true bearings and in its simplicity. The Lord will work so that the disaffected ones will be separated from the true and loyal ones. Those who, like Cornelius, will fear God and glorify Him, will take their places. The ranks will not be diminished. Those who are firm and true will close up the vacancies that are made by those who become offended and apostatize.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Shubee, When EGW wrote concerning those who did and would "apostatizes" That was during the 1888-1997 period. Rice, Kellogg, and Canright were some of the "influencial ones".


Shubee, are you making the judgment saying that 1/20 SDA will not be in heaven???? EGW never made that declaration. Notice: 1893 was in the middle of that period when some were leaving.  And She said as above, others would take their place.  That was said to the company of believers at that time---"are prepared"--. Shubee, if you are "prepared today", just what makes you so sure that the multiple millions of SDA's around the world aren't "prepared"?


Shubee wrote: Obviously, the percentage of saved Adventists is much smaller today if Sister White's testimony about the great endtime apostasy is true:

"The Lord has warned me that there will come a great apostasy. There will come a falling away in spirituality. Many will turn away their ears from hearing the truth, and will accept fables." 6MR p. 378. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Shubee, There did come an apostasy as shown.  You added the "endtime"---in order to confuse the Faithful SDA Members into joining your "Reformed SDA Church."


Yes, those "most dangerous fables" which you produced are just that "Fables" and "Dangerous" to one's Spiritual health if one believes them.

 

Peace,   Sincerly.      As long as sin is practiced, one will search for a means to validate the continuing therein. ANON

The greatest want of the world is the want of men--men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.---- ANON  (Ellen G. White. 1882)
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