I wish this board were more active, because I would like to discuss this fellow, an Indian mystic and an enigma, who as far as I know is still alive. He claims to be an Avatar, and defines an Avatar as a "descender". He is a very impressive individual, maybe the most impressive living being. However, from a study I have made of other Indian Yogi masters, he is not the most impressive, and is by no means particularly "more advanced" than others who have gone before. Indeed based on the probability he will not live much beyond some 90 years, he is not doing well, where others have claimed, and had witnessed some hundreds of years on this earth. But by the standards of the average mortal, he is truly amazing.

My interest is in whether he is an Avatar, or not. He was alive when the UB was being put together, and thus one must consider whether it is likely that the Ubook would ignore the presence on earth of a descender, if indeed he is. Then too, he teaches reincarnation. It does not seem to be central, or even terribly relevant to what he does teach, but its there. As I am convinced reincarnation is false, what are the chances an Avatar would get it wrong? Well of course Lucifer got it wrong, and he was not even limited by the constraints of living in this realm with a physical body.

I am also expecting a Magisterial Son, by the name of Monjoronson to materialise one of these days. I am not expecting to find that what he teaches is wrong. Yet, a follower of Sai Baba, who hears about Monjoronson would be rightly puzzled. Two Avatars who don't agree? How can that be? (This is of course based on a lot of ifs)

I have asked my TA about Sai Baba, and I get that he is not an Avatar. If that is correct, he is another highly advanced mortal who is confused in some aspects regarding Truth. Interesting Michael/Jesus as far as we can discern, never was confused.

I don't believe an avatar is 'one who teaches the Truth' in the doctrinal sense of the word, but by example.

I believe an avatar is one who agrees to descend to this planet with a very specific mission and purpose.  In reality we're all avatars in some manner, but some people have a destiny which transcends their locality and time.  And I believe Sai Baba is an important avatar of our age.

In this age of quarrel of hipocrisy (the age of kali, according to Vaishnava Hinduism) it will be impossible for all people to agree on particular doctrines and dogmas, therefore they become unimportant and the way people relate to each other becomes important.  It is explained by Lord Krishna in the second chapter of the Bhagavad Gita that when people reach a certain spiritual maturity, they develop an indifference toward all the doctrines.  Sai Baba himself teaches 'sarva dharma', and he says that he respects everyone's beliefs: this is important, he is showing people a new way of seeing spirituality (one) and religions (many).  And when people tell him about this or that belief, he always affirms people's beliefs saying 'yes, yes, sure', and he himself has explained that he does this.

This is explained by Krishna in Bhagavad Gita 7:20-23, how the Lord has decided to affirm everyone's faith as long as it's sincere, as an act of mercy and compassion toward humans, because Lord Krishna explains in the Gita that everyone worships according to their own nature, karma, and tendencies.

Sai Baba represents a modern expression of dharma, that resonates with many beings who have taken an incarnation in modern humanity.  The same with Uranian spirituality.

Doctrines do not produce spirituality: living beings do.  This is said in the Gospels also: "The breath quickens, but the letter kills", what this means is that ideas are not living beings, they cannot answer if we question them, they do not suffer, but living beings do.  Therefore, only living beings can be considered as having dignity and being worthy of reverence, not beliefs or doctrines.  For this reason in Hindu spirituality is tolerant and diverse, does not have only one doctrine but many and respects everyone's intelligence and independent search for knowledge.

Just a note to nobody that I am leaving bnet. I must be the last here, so I will turn off the light.