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6 years ago  ::  Feb 16, 2009 - 5:19PM #31
christianincollege
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bytebear wrote:

Serious question for you. Why would you want to speak with a missionary if you 1) already understand LDS theology and 2) don't agree with it?

I personally don't think you really do understand LDS theology, but I do have some books for you to consider to better understand it from an evangelical perspective:

How Wide the Divide?: A Mormon & an Evangelical in Conversation by Craig L. Blomberg and Stephen E. Robinson
Claiming Christ: A Mormon-Evangelical Debate by Robert L. Millet and Gerald R. McDermott
New Mormon Challenge, The by Richard J. Mouw, Francis Beckwith, Carl Mosser, and Paul Owen

All three books are written by (at least in part) by evangelical scholars, so there is no Mormon bias. But they are honest explanations of LDS theology, so you may be surprised at what they say, because it is rare that evangelicals are honest about LDS beliefs.


I do understand LDS theology.  Even the missionaries I talked to (I have had 4 in my home, spoken to some online, and have spoken to four outside my home) have said I understand their theology... and just disagree with it.  Also, I have owned the book The New Mormon Challenge.

Disagreeing with theology doesn't mean I just don't understand it.

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6 years ago  ::  Feb 16, 2009 - 5:32PM #32
bytebear
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christianincollege wrote:

I do understand LDS theology. Even the missionaries I talked to (I have had 4 in my home, spoken to some online, and have spoken to four outside my home) have said I understand their theology... and just disagree with it. Also, I have owned the book The New Mormon Challenge.

Disagreeing with theology doesn't mean I just don't understand it.


I don't mean to be rude, but you really don't understand the LDS concept of grace, or faith and works. It's ok, many Mormons don't fully understand it either, and evangelicals will say that Mormons only believe in salvation by works. But that is simply not true. We are saved by grace, but judged according to our works. Jesus Christ has paid for all sins, past, present and future, but we must take advantage of that grace through faith, repentence, baptism and by following his commandments. Repentence and forgiveness are only possible because of Christ's great and eternal atomenent. Is that what you understand LDS belief to be?  And if not, where do you think I am wrong, and if so, what is it you disagree with?

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6 years ago  ::  Feb 16, 2009 - 6:40PM #33
christianincollege
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That is exactly what I believe the LDS church teaches.  Do you regularly assume all evangelicals don't understand LDS theology?
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6 years ago  ::  Feb 16, 2009 - 6:44PM #34
bytebear
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christianincollege wrote:

That is exactly what I believe the LDS church teaches. Do you regularly assume all evangelicals don't understand LDS theology?


First, what do you find wrong with Mormon theology as explained above?

I think many do, but I think a lot misrepresent them when explaining them to others. I think others simply do not. For example, I have been told many MANY times that Mormons worship Joseph Smith and not Jesus Christ. In fact, I know many people who don't even know that the Book of Mormon is all about the atonement of Jesus Christ. I found this article enlightening on the subject:

http://www.centerplace.org/library/bofm … ofbofm.htm

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6 years ago  ::  Feb 16, 2009 - 8:02PM #35
christianincollege
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Bytebear, you and I both know most of the distinctive doctrines of the LDS faith are not in the Book of Mormon.  They are in the other standard works of the LDS faith or something said by the current "modern day prophet."  Secondly, the link you sent me to is an RLDS website.  Hardly convincing.
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6 years ago  ::  Feb 16, 2009 - 8:05PM #36
Ironhold
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christianincollege wrote:

That is exactly what I believe the LDS church teaches.  Do you regularly assume all evangelicals don't understand LDS theology?


To be blunt?

Far too many "Good Christians" either deliberately distort the LDS teachings when discussing them with others or refuse to actually do any research above and beyond what their minister tells them. In fact, spreading false information about the LDS faith has become a cottage industry within the United States and the United Kingdom, with a plethora of books, tapes, DVDs, and speakers who specialize in telling lie after lie about the church.

Thus, it is nigh impossible to locate a mainstream Christian who has all their facts in order about the church. The few who do have some level of correct understanding usually either grew up in a Mormon community or are educators who have made the extra effort to learn about other faith traditions aside from their own.

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6 years ago  ::  Feb 16, 2009 - 3:28PM #37
christianincollege
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It seems like I fell into a pre-existing argument that had began before I even got here.  I started the post, but I have no idea what is going on.  :-)

I am not hateful and I am not anti-Mormon (which has became the Mormon "N" word).  I will admit I am "anti-Mormon theology" but that should not be a barrier where people disregard what I say.  For instance, it would not be fair to label every Mormon anti-Baptist or anti-homosexual just because they disagree with them.  They may be anti-Baptist theology just like I disagree with LDS doctrine, but we can still be friends and have a conversation... I hope.
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6 years ago  ::  Feb 16, 2009 - 3:46PM #38
UwishUwereMe
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Hey, Justin, you seem like you would be fun to dialog with.  I tried to share how I feel, and our sketchy friend WWA, jumped down your throat and then decided who you were. 

I would like to exchange ideas, maybe you could send me a PM. 

I have tons of Evangelical friends, and we love and appreciate each other, and spend time encouraging our walks withthe savior. 

I hope none of my posts appeared hostile to you, my frustrations were focused to WWA's inability to communicate like an adult.
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6 years ago  ::  Feb 16, 2009 - 3:51PM #39
withwonderingawe
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Wish; …need to incude calling me "gay" and then telling me I am going to HELL, then laughing about it.



Wish, I don’t believe in hell, I think you're a nice person and I’ll let God judge ya.


My hubby said it was in bad taste so I apologize. (But don’t you see the humor in a gay Mormon trying to convince a 'born againer' you're a Christian?)
Wise men still seek him.
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6 years ago  ::  Feb 16, 2009 - 4:00PM #40
withwonderingawe
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Wish; My friends are mostly Evangelical Free, and VERY nice and tolerant people and accept my being a Christian by my word and my sincere desire to nuture a personal relationship with Jesus Christ,


Well you’re lucky, try arguing with RC or Theo on the debate board sometime. Ya aught to read some of Don Digios post sometime, we’re all a bunch of cult members headed to hell.


I find Methodist, Catholics and Lutherans much more tolerant and accepting of our Christianhood.
Wise men still seek him.
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