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6 years ago  ::  Nov 12, 2008 - 11:30AM #31
EyesoftheWorld
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Hi Dromahair... I wasn't asking you to do research. I asked if you already knew anything.

Also, I don't know how you possibly could have thought my issue is that Xians "don't like" Pagans...

Redfrog, I agree... I started my first post in this thread with a Krusty joke then started trying to explain my own feelings...

Words are the root of so many confrontations... we should just shut up. We all probably have way more in common with each other than the "average" person you'd meet on the street... for us to be like dissecting and spinning the interpretation of each others' posts to sort of deflect and kind of denigrate each other's intellect, points of view and motives is sickening to me.
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6 years ago  ::  Nov 12, 2008 - 12:57PM #32
Redfrog777
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Eyes

"Words are the root of so many confrontations... we should just shut up. We all probably have way more in common with each other than the "average" person you'd meet on the street... for us to be like dissecting and spinning the interpretation of each others' posts to sort of deflect and kind of denigrate each other's intellect, points of view and motives is sickening to me."

Good point.
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6 years ago  ::  Nov 12, 2008 - 3:18PM #33
Sakhaiva
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Frog - I'll pick up your post and move it even further past any possible 'lines in the sand'

..... once in meditation I saw myself as a flower growing up through the soil and opening to the sun. I saw myself mature until the petals began to drop and I became withered and turned brown... I started to crumble apart and was caught up in the breeze... all the while I was still 'me'

....and as the breeze carried me, the pieces broke smaller and smaller until I was no longer able to distinguish what was me and what wasn't. I was still me....

but I was everything else too.



I think this is why labels often fail us:  we are so much more connected than we understand.  And I wonder, to the trees, to the bears and perhaps to our gods, aren't we are all that "average person on the street" ?
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6 years ago  ::  Nov 12, 2008 - 5:47PM #34
EyesoftheWorld
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Indeed... when you really think about it, aren't we all related if we could trace back about a billion generations?

The competitive nature of individual agency of a soul wihin a body and apparently separate from others, with whom one must compete for resources, is perhaps a test... or at least an obstacle, to realizing that we really are all One.

These words I type would not have any meaning if nobody reads them. And you come here not to just read your own posts, right?

We are here because of and for each other.

We create the context in which we define each other and ourselves.

We couldn't do it without us.
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6 years ago  ::  Nov 12, 2008 - 8:37PM #35
Sakhaiva
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EyesoftheWorld wrote:

Indeed... when you really think about it, aren't we all related if we could trace back about a billion generations?

The competitive nature of individual agency of a soul wihin a body and apparently separate from others, with whom one must compete for resources, is perhaps a test... or at least an obstacle, to realizing that we really are all One.

These words I type would not have any meaning if nobody reads them. And you come here not to just read your own posts, right?

We are here because of and for each other.

We create the context in which we define each other and ourselves.

We couldn't do it without us.



Here here!!!

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5 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2009 - 2:55PM #36
Kindred322
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It seems that I am Goddess focused...not to deny other dieties but certainly because She has revealed herself to me while others have not. My lineage is Celtic and Pictish so that line of thought is most like me.

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5 years ago  ::  May 04, 2009 - 7:40PM #37
Raven.beliefnet.com
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I am a Lynx, a traditional Pagan.  This form of Paganism is what I practice.  Also known as the New Age, Lynx has gained a billion souls in April 2009, straight after Earth Day.  If you feel that I am speaking nonsense, please bear with me.  My psychic powers are very sensitive and they can pick up hogwash from a mile away.


By the way, Lynx celebrate its own sabbats and speaks its own language.  Its Candlemas is February 2, making its Beltane on May 1, its Lammas on August 30 and its own Halloween on October 31, given Samhein is the Lynish month of October.  Yule is the Lynish month of December.  The scripture of my Paganism is the Gaidheal, also known as the Tao Te Ching and its constitution is the Magna Carta.


Sorry!  I practice a different Paganism, one you may not be familiar with.  You may say, "I am Pagan and that is not Pagan."  Well, the other religious identity I have is "New Age," but for God's sake, I will let you be the judge.  Hopefully, we can make this Paganism an Abrahamic religion.


May you be blessed.

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5 years ago  ::  May 04, 2009 - 10:18PM #38
gorm-sionnach
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Would you mind providing a link or two on Lynx?

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5 years ago  ::  May 05, 2009 - 8:53AM #39
CreakyHedgewitch
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Raven,


"I am a Lynx, a traditional Pagan."


How are you using the term traditional here? Granted anyone can define the term paganism to mean whatever he or she wishes because Paganism has yet to be defined as 'a' religion or 'any' religion. Traditional however suggests that this is some kind of earlier or older or passed down form of paganism.


Paganism comes from the Latin word paganus (plural pagani) which meant citizen of the Roman Empire who was not in the military. Early Christians called themselves soldiers of Christ, hence pagani was everyone else as well as the broad spectrum of religious activities that were found throughout the Empire. As Christianity spread quickest in urban areas and the spectrum of faiths, beliefs etc prior to and contemporary to this lingered longest in rural areas, paganus acquired secondary meanings such as country dweller or country bumpkin. Later Christian authors used the term for just about anything that wasn't Christian or accepted as such. By the 19th century, there were four prevailing definitions. Roman and Greek Empires- great but no Christian ethics or secondly these cultures having hedonistic, liberal religions (the reality was closer to state religions). Third, the Romantic Movement in Europe/Britain defined paganism as the idealised pastoral harmony between religion, humankind and nature. And fourth, paganism was defined as barbaric, idol-worshipping etc so beloved of occult fiction and Christian purists. In conjunction to this, there were three 'Paganism' Movements. The first in the 2nd century was scholars trying to blend Greek science with Christian theology (failed). The second Movement circa 17th century was another academic rebellion against Catholicism. The writers in this 2nd Movement published works that would serve as the starting point for much of the mythological history that in the arly 20th century was taken as credible 'historical references' by the third Paganism Movement. So where in all of this history of the term paganism does your traditional Paganism fit?


"This form of Paganism is what I practice. Also known as the New Age, Lynx has gained a billion souls in April 2009, straight after Earth Day."


Well I define New Age as quite different than Paganism or are you using this term as a specific name rather than a generalised category that involves dismissal of the physical, abusive leadership practices, spiritual elitism and apocalyptic belief structures? As a modern Paganism for the last 25 years, I have seen only four commonalties in Paganism. Individuals self-identify as such, each self-defines that this means, validation is first-hand/experiential and no one has been able to agree sufficiently on paganism as a faith except as an alternate name for already named modern faiths such as Wicca. There are also four generalities, self-responsibility, not rules or laws or rigid doctrine but rather it is the self's response-ability. Learning is experiential. This includes that some things can be taught from second- or third-hand written sources where others share his or her experiences but these sources are not divinely revealed sources of wisdom. The Divine or Source is essentially recognisable and more reasonable as being polytheistic rather than monotheistic. The concept of an uber-deity that trumps or contains or reflects all other deities does exist but rarely within the breadth of modern Paganism. And finally that the physical nature is not irrelevant to one's spirituality because as human beings we cannot be considered separately from nature. This may mean a faith or set of beliefs self-defined as Paganism tends to be mainly or greatly nature-oriented or -worshipping by being personified by nature. Or that nature should be respected both for its omnipresent impact/power and in how one enacts one's life within nature. Or that nature at the very least must be taken into account independently from human needs. These commonalties and generalities do tend to conflict with what is usually defined as New Age principles.


As for gaining souls, well are those immature souls that haven't been reborn yet or those that have come back too soon because of over population? Mature souls on the other hand can't be gained like pieces in a board game. How are you tallying up these souls as belonging to your faith? Curious.


"If you feel that I am speaking nonsense, please bear with me."


You haven't said anything sufficiently detailed as yet to garner such a response. Were you expecting such?


"My psychic powers are very sensitive and they can pick up hogwash from a mile away."


Everyone is born with the potential to be psychically sensitive. Many people develop these abilities including especially Pagan Witches as part of their discipline of the Craft. Having such doesn't make you much different than anyone else. And being psychic doesn't make anyone immune to hogwash, personally practiced or from others IME.


"By the way, Lynx celebrate its own sabbats and speaks its own language. Its Candlemas is February 2, making its Beltane on May 1, its Lammas on August 30 and its own Halloween on October 31, given Samhein is the Lynish month of October. Yule is the Lynish month of December."


So in other words, Lynx can be considered as fitting within the modern Paganism Movement. Sabbats is a term that was introduced by the Religion of Witchcraft or Wicca conceived by Gerald Gardner in the 1930's. Every religion has its own symbolic language. Candlemas, Beltane, Lammas, Samhain, Yule are all barely documented historical celebrations that Gardner incorporated into his Wheel of the Year from Celtic and Germanic sources. Most Pagans I know celebrate 'their own' versions of these. That you choose to use the secular commercialised Halloween in place of Samhain or give such names to months is just another example of adaptation.


T"he scripture of my Paganism is the Gaidheal, also known as the Tao Te Ching and its constitution is the Magna Carta."


Sacred texts...well that is different but if you don't wish to validate experiential over the revealed, that is your choice.


"Sorry! I practice a different Paganism, one you may not be familiar with."


Most versions of Paganism are unique. A lot of your pieces are quite familiar. Not sure if they hold together coherently or not from what you have said.


"You may say, "I am Pagan and that is not Pagan."


Well no one is obliged to recognise anything anyone else does as being Pagan. On the other hand, anything can be recognised as that individual's self-definition of Paganism. Such usually isn't relevant to anyone else, just them.


"Well, the other religious identity I have is "New Age," but for God's sake, I will let you be the judge."


You might want to consider all the baggage that New Age carries with it before settling on that as a religious identity. Which God are you referring to? If a God you have a relationship to, then only you can do something for that God's sake. Not relevant to anyone else unless they also happen to follow the same God. And why should anyone else have to judge the validity of what is unique to you?


"Hopefully, we can make this Paganism an Abrahamic religion."


Well since Abrahamic practitioners regard all paganism as non-Abrahamic, that might be a challenge. How are you planning on getting Christians, Jews and Muslims to accept this fourth Abrahamic religion? On what basis? And why would one want to do this in the first place? Curious.


C.H.

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5 years ago  ::  Jun 20, 2009 - 5:18AM #40
Nexol
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The form of paganism I ad here to is both Dualistic and Trinitarian, and professes polytheism. I believe that the universe is one with an onmipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient who is called Nyx (she is the embodiment of the perpetual night that existed before the universe), and the Sun (Helios/Amon/God) is the king of the universe under her. The trinitarian beliefs come in when describing the aspects of Nyx (in which the Maiden, Mother, and Crone is used as a metaphor for it). The maiden created for herself a lover who fathered twin girls (Light/Law and Dark/Chaos). The mother, along with her daughters (who act as her handmaidens, giving her another aspect of the trinity) and Helios created the "Lesser Gods" who then, in turn, created all of the worlds that populate our universe. The world was crafted out of Nyx's body. The Crone is how Nyx exists now.


I believe that worship of the trinity and the duality above all, but I also worship Freya, Poseidon, Anubis, and a few other deities due to personal preference. I also believe that the practice both High and Low of Magic(k), while not essential, is a powerful way to connect with Nyx, the Mother of All.


The main symbol for Nyx is the Moon (as it is the most prominent structure in the night sky, and she *IS* the essence of night), and the crow. Helios is represented as the Sun and as a Dove with a crown.

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