Post Reply
Page 1 of 3  •  1 2 3 Next
Switch to Forum Live View Want to understand pantheism
5 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2008 - 12:15AM #1
beforHim
Posts: 38
Same old questions that are probably all over these forums.  I'll ask some questions, and I'll go and read all the other threads to get some answers (complementing the answers I get here).  Thx for answering the same old questions. ;)

1) Is pantheism the belief that everything is God?  EVERYTHING?
2) If so, then is there sin, karma, Good vs Evil, etc.?
3) If not, then what is God?  Is there a God?
4) What's panantheism?
5) What religions are pantheist?
6) What are the differences in the way the religions view pantheism?

I want to ask more questions, but I'll learn about pantheism first, then ask more questions.  Like I said, I'll read other posts to get some answers as well, but with my own thread I can ask whatever.  Thx for the knowledge!
Quick Reply
Cancel
5 years ago  ::  Jul 19, 2008 - 12:00AM #2
beforHim
Posts: 38
2) If so, then is there sin, karma, Good vs Evil, etc.?

I really want enlightenment on this question.  Thx.
Quick Reply
Cancel
5 years ago  ::  Jul 21, 2008 - 8:34PM #3
TigersEyeDowsing
Posts: 6,833
Hi,

There are no standard pantheistic answers to these questions; everyone views pantheism differently and there are different pantheistic faiths.

2) If so, then is there sin, karma, Good vs Evil, etc.?



For me: 

Sin is "missing the mark" of perfection, or the Divine.  It is not a "personal offense" to a "personal deity", but a mistake, an error in judgement, an act by our lower natures, which we do constantly perform. 

Evil is real only in appearances.  In reality, there is only God the Good.   When this is remembered truly and correctly the false appearances of evil melt away into the nothingness that they are.

Pantheism is the belief that everything is God.
Panentheism is the belief that everything is IN God.  "In him we move and have our being."

Churchianity, by substituting creed for Christ and dogma instead of the divine facts of being, has stripped Love of her royal robes and has left her standing an unheeded beggar in the universe of God. - Rev. W. John Murray
Quick Reply
Cancel
5 years ago  ::  Jul 22, 2008 - 9:07PM #4
KARD9000
Posts: 1,712
[QUOTE=TigersEyeDowsing;639927]

Pantheism is the belief that everything is God.
Panentheism is the belief that everything is IN God.  "In him we move and have our being."[/QUOTE]



Personally I don't quite agree.  For a lot of people, God has nothing to do with it.  There is no God or god or gods in the equation.
Quick Reply
Cancel
5 years ago  ::  Jul 24, 2008 - 5:19PM #5
TigersEyeDowsing
Posts: 6,833
[QUOTE=KARD9000;642192]Personally I don't quite agree.  For a lot of people, God has nothing to do with it.  There is no God or god or gods in the equation.[/QUOTE]

pan·the·ism  [pan-thee-iz-uhm]
–noun 1. the doctrine that God is the transcendent reality of which the material universe and human beings are only manifestations: it involves a denial of God's personality and expresses a tendency to identify God and nature. 
2. any religious belief or philosophical doctrine that identifies God with the universe.
-http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pantheism

I'm afraid we must have conflicting ideas on what Pantheism is.  As the dictionary states, to the Pantheist, God (not BibleGod, but the Divine nonetheless) is everything.

You must be something else.
Churchianity, by substituting creed for Christ and dogma instead of the divine facts of being, has stripped Love of her royal robes and has left her standing an unheeded beggar in the universe of God. - Rev. W. John Murray
Quick Reply
Cancel
5 years ago  ::  Jul 24, 2008 - 8:48PM #6
KARD9000
Posts: 1,712
Dictionaries are nice but they don't determine how or what a  person believes. 

There are other threads in this forum where people express what pantheism means to them.  For quiet a few of us it has nothing to do with any god.  There is a thread, which I believe is a sticky, with excellent resouces you might want to consider looking into.
Quick Reply
Cancel
5 years ago  ::  Jul 25, 2008 - 6:01AM #7
TigersEyeDowsing
Posts: 6,833
Thanks for the recommendation Kard.  I especially enjoyed http://www.pantheist-index.net/Publications/utne.html .  I am a Divine Scientist, so I hope you realize when I say "God" I don't mean an individual, personal deity.  No offense is meant.
Churchianity, by substituting creed for Christ and dogma instead of the divine facts of being, has stripped Love of her royal robes and has left her standing an unheeded beggar in the universe of God. - Rev. W. John Murray
Quick Reply
Cancel
5 years ago  ::  Aug 01, 2008 - 2:02AM #8
beforHim
Posts: 38
I read up on some of the pantheism stuff.  I was just wondering, is anyone on this board a classical pantheist?  Or are they mostly Hindus, and hence would be at that forum?  Besides Hindusim, what other "classic" religions are pantheistic?

Thx for al the help!
Quick Reply
Cancel
5 years ago  ::  Nov 06, 2008 - 3:10PM #9
EyesoftheWorld
Posts: 1,707
I think the lynchpin of the misunderstanding or disagreement is the idea of 'God' having a personality... The anthropomorphic projection onto 'God' of a human personality and the awareness to be either pleased or angry, contented or jealous/insecure is a hallmark of the Abrahamic Religions.

I feel the 'God without a personality' is a bit risky of a term b/c of the inherent Entity-hood which is generally associated with 'God'.

The removal from the concept of a personality from God means not only a personality as in that which characterized one's state of mind or attitude or predispositions, but also "person-hood", as in an entity with definite shape and location....

to remove the entity/person-hood of an anthropomorphized God leaves one, I feel, with the classic Greek concept put forth by Empedocles:
“The nature of God is a circle of which the center is everywhere and the circumference is nowhere.”

but also without any Judgment or even point of view in relation to what transpires in the Universe.

What do you think?
What Fatal Flowers of Darkness Bloom from Seeds of Light!
Quick Reply
Cancel
5 years ago  ::  Nov 06, 2008 - 6:39PM #10
KARD9000
Posts: 1,712
[QUOTE=TigersEyeDowsing;646987]Thanks for the recommendation Kard.  I especially enjoyed http://www.pantheist-index.net/Publications/utne.html .  I am a Divine Scientist, so I hope you realize when I say "God" I don't mean an individual, personal deity.  No offense is meant.[/QUOTE]

That's why some of us use a small "g"  :)

No offense taken, I understand.  Most of the pantheist's I talk to do not associate any god with their beliefs.
Quick Reply
Cancel
Page 1 of 3  •  1 2 3 Next
 
    Viewing this thread :: 0 registered and 1 guest
    No registered users viewing
    Advertisement

    Beliefnet On Facebook