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5 years ago  ::  Jul 01, 2008 - 7:55AM #1
class4
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Since I haven't had access to a computer, this is actually a continuation of a thread from before this Beta site.

I'm unsure of any messages sent to me, I tried to check them, and it didn't work.  I told beliefnet, and now it shows nothing.  I don't know.  I don't mean to violate anything.  Try resending if I do, perhaps it works now.

RoninNewMexico (or something very close):

In you last post you insulted me and told me to go back to Christianity.  I'm afraid you don't understand the situation.  Buddhists normally don't talk about their practice, but I don't know of any other way to explain the situaion, so I'm sorry.  I fully understand that a conceptually mediated belief in a God is subject to ending, and I fully understand that a conceptually mediated belief in no God is subject to ending.  After seeing this 4 or 5 years ago, I was crying and shaking uncontrollably (it ends, it ends, it ends, etc-real mess).  It was disorienting  for me.  I tried to go to a minister, but they kicked me out.  It is my best level of understanding that it is not a conceptually mediated belief in God or no God, but instead the ability of a person to act with unconditional love that is central.  I can't go back to Christianity because I say there is something beyond the concepts and consider some members of other traditions to be more advanced than myself.  It was very painful for me.  I know that probably you and others believe I'm trying to convert people, but it's not the case because the Christian groups no  longer  accept me.  I have no group to convert people too.  Sometimes I have questions, and in general it is the underlying spiritual lesson I'm going for.  In this thread, I was asking about the knowledge of equality of opposites to overcome the circle of becoming.  You misrepresented me as saying that love and hatred are opposites, which is not what I meant, at least not in the way you represented me as meaning.  You may want to consider why you had a need to insult me, but I won't guess at that and it's your business if you do or don't. 

I don't know any other terms to describe spirituality except the Christian ones; you have to use concepts to communicate, but you have to go beyond the concepts.  I'm sorry if my lack of ability to translate what I'm trying to say into Buddhist lingo has caused problems.  This transition in level of understanding for me has been painful, no other way to describe it.

Well, I don't know if this post is okay for this board...sorry if it's not, but I won't say much more anyway.
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5 years ago  ::  Jul 01, 2008 - 7:55AM #2
class4
Posts: 305
Since I haven't had access to a computer, this is actually a continuation of a thread from before this Beta site.

I'm unsure of any messages sent to me, I tried to check them, and it didn't work.  I told beliefnet, and now it shows nothing.  I don't know.  I don't mean to violate anything.  Try resending if I do, perhaps it works now.

RoninNewMexico (or something very close):

In you last post you insulted me and told me to go back to Christianity.  I'm afraid you don't understand the situation.  Buddhists normally don't talk about their practice, but I don't know of any other way to explain the situaion, so I'm sorry.  I fully understand that a conceptually mediated belief in a God is subject to ending, and I fully understand that a conceptually mediated belief in no God is subject to ending.  After seeing this 4 or 5 years ago, I was crying and shaking uncontrollably (it ends, it ends, it ends, etc-real mess).  It was disorienting  for me.  I tried to go to a minister, but they kicked me out.  It is my best level of understanding that it is not a conceptually mediated belief in God or no God, but instead the ability of a person to act with unconditional love that is central.  I can't go back to Christianity because I say there is something beyond the concepts and consider some members of other traditions to be more advanced than myself.  It was very painful for me.  I know that probably you and others believe I'm trying to convert people, but it's not the case because the Christian groups no  longer  accept me.  I have no group to convert people too.  Sometimes I have questions, and in general it is the underlying spiritual lesson I'm going for.  In this thread, I was asking about the knowledge of equality of opposites to overcome the circle of becoming.  You misrepresented me as saying that love and hatred are opposites, which is not what I meant, at least not in the way you represented me as meaning.  You may want to consider why you had a need to insult me, but I won't guess at that and it's your business if you do or don't. 

I don't know any other terms to describe spirituality except the Christian ones; you have to use concepts to communicate, but you have to go beyond the concepts.  I'm sorry if my lack of ability to translate what I'm trying to say into Buddhist lingo has caused problems.  This transition in level of understanding for me has been painful, no other way to describe it.

Well, I don't know if this post is okay for this board...sorry if it's not, but I won't say much more anyway.
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5 years ago  ::  Jul 01, 2008 - 2:27PM #3
class4
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I don't know if this is the right place or not....I'm still having trouble with the inbox, so brburl you have my regular email if you need it.  I asked belief to fix it 6 monthes ago, and they still haven't.  I see I have one new, but can't access the message. (honest!)

I also see the friendship request, accepted it, but there is no way to communicate via the beliefnet email system for me...just to let you know so I'm  not ignoring you.
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5 years ago  ::  Jul 02, 2008 - 12:13AM #4
ronnewmexico
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At the present time I no longer participate in discussions on any Beliefnet forums. The present circumstance  renders my participation in such discussions to serve no purpose.

I do however still(at present) post comments on my beliefnet profile site, in my journal. This is accessed by clicking on a posters name and then going to profile, and then to journal.

I have a very small laypersons spiritual practice of little understanding. However if you care to view writings from such a person, you are welcome to them.

This is my gift to you, and anyone else that may care or not care to view such things.

I only respond to this post as I have been named, but estimate I will not respond here again or on any other forums, in the foreseeable future. If named or called upon for response, such will be my reply.
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5 years ago  ::  Jul 02, 2008 - 12:57AM #5
class4
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Ronnewmexico:

I understand.  I wasn't sure if this was the best way to let you know that you're suggestion of me going back to Christian groups was not possible for me or not, as it is rather public.  I never meant to threaten or make anyone feel uncomfortable from before (it's been awhile since I last posted regularly because not having access to the computer).  Take care.
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