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10 years ago  ::  Apr 05, 2008 - 9:32PM #1
Dogmafreehappily
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I have two very big problems.

I'm kind of in a hurry so I'll make this short and quick:

1. There are no Scientology churches where I live. The closest one is in Charleston, atleast 3 hours away. My parents don't believe in Scientology and wouldn't approve of me being a Scientologist. The only way they've let me buy the three books on Scientology I have (Dianetics, Scientology: A New Slant on Life, and Clear mind, Clear body) is because I told them I was just interested in the subject, and I wasn't actually a Scientologist. But there's probably no way to make them see different. I think if I tried to tell them it would just cause conflict and end up in an argument.

2. I have a hard time reading and understanding the books. I know it says define every word you come across you don't fully understand, but I find myself having to open the dictionary every 2 seconds, and forgetting what I just read even more. It's really frustrating.

My questions:

How can I be a Scientologist and do the "purification rundown" and such without going to a church? Is it possible to be a Scientologist and do that?

How can I understand the literature better without having to search through a dictionary every minute?

I really feel kind of bad for posting this here, because I've heard from Scientologists that freezone isn't "true Scientology". Not to offend anyone here. But the Church of Scientology boards are somewhat dead.



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10 years ago  ::  Apr 05, 2008 - 9:32PM #2
Dogmafreehappily
Posts: 15
I have two very big problems.

I'm kind of in a hurry so I'll make this short and quick:

1. There are no Scientology churches where I live. The closest one is in Charleston, atleast 3 hours away. My parents don't believe in Scientology and wouldn't approve of me being a Scientologist. The only way they've let me buy the three books on Scientology I have (Dianetics, Scientology: A New Slant on Life, and Clear mind, Clear body) is because I told them I was just interested in the subject, and I wasn't actually a Scientologist. But there's probably no way to make them see different. I think if I tried to tell them it would just cause conflict and end up in an argument.

2. I have a hard time reading and understanding the books. I know it says define every word you come across you don't fully understand, but I find myself having to open the dictionary every 2 seconds, and forgetting what I just read even more. It's really frustrating.

My questions:

How can I be a Scientologist and do the "purification rundown" and such without going to a church? Is it possible to be a Scientologist and do that?

How can I understand the literature better without having to search through a dictionary every minute?

I really feel kind of bad for posting this here, because I've heard from Scientologists that freezone isn't "true Scientology". Not to offend anyone here. But the Church of Scientology boards are somewhat dead.



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10 years ago  ::  Apr 09, 2008 - 4:25PM #3
fluffygirl
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[QUOTE=Dogmafreehappily;411223]I have two very big problems.

I'm kind of in a hurry so I'll make this short and quick:

1. There are no Scientology churches where I live. The closest one is in Charleston, atleast 3 hours away. My parents don't believe in Scientology and wouldn't approve of me being a Scientologist. The only way they've let me buy the three books on Scientology I have (Dianetics, Scientology: A New Slant on Life, and Clear mind, Clear body) is because I told them I was just interested in the subject, and I wasn't actually a Scientologist. But there's probably no way to make them see different. I think if I tried to tell them it would just cause conflict and end up in an argument. [/QUOTE]

Hi,

If you're a minor, I would certainly wait on doing anything your parents would not approve of. I got into Scn when I was 17 and my Mom did not approve so I waited til I was 18 before I did more courses.

Now, just so you know, I'm a non CofS ("CofS" = Church of Scn) Scientologist. I left the church and they expelled me a year later so you're talking to a heretic here, so to speak. The "Freezone" is full of people like me. The Freezone is comprised of Scn'ists who are not in CofS.

If you aren't a minor, I would suggest doing more reading and purchasing your books from abebooks.com or Ebay.


[QUOTE]2. I have a hard time reading and understanding the books. I know it says define every word you come across you don't fully understand, but I find myself having to open the dictionary every 2 seconds, and forgetting what I just read even more. It's really frustrating.

My questions:

How can I be a Scientologist and do the "purification rundown" and such without going to a church? Is it possible to be a Scientologist and do that?![/QUOTE]

As I mentioned above, there are Scientologists who operate outside CofS. You don't need an organization to tell you that you are or are not a Scientologist.  I mean, if you want to join CofS, that's up to you and all, but I'm talking here about "the Freezone" and "Independent" Scn movement. There are a number of other discussion groups populated only by Freezoners. There also are other spin offs like "Knowledgism" that are good.

If you are of age and/or emanicipated, I can put you in contact with some people. If you like, you can let me know your geographical area.

In the meantime, whether you take courses, or get auditing or do the Purification Rundwon or don't do them, if you are interested in Scn, you can and probably should read Scn books. Some better books might be Handbook for Preclears and Science of Survival.

Frankly, I wouldn't be in too much of a rush to do the purification rundown. It is a sweat program with a lot of vitamins, etc, and is not a spiritual exercise. I know people who felt they benefited from it, but even so, it's a physical program and not a spiritual one. I'd forget about "Clear Mind, Clear Body" for a while.


[QUOTE]How can I understand the literature better without having to search through a dictionary every minute?

I really feel kind of bad for posting this here, because I've heard from Scientologists that freezone isn't "true Scientology". Not to offend anyone here. But the Church of Scientology boards are somewhat dead.![/QUOTE]

Here's what I think. I think an intelligent literate person understands most words he comes across, particularly in the more basic Scn books. I think that sometimes people second guess themselves and get what used to be called (An old old old Catholic expression) scruples where they constantly are kind of getting introverted and questioning themselves- often unnecessarily.

So look up words but maybe you don't have as many "misunderstoods" as you thought. Also, if you do, scan the word quickly and find the right definition and just make sure you know what THAT one means. That's the way "word clearing" in Scn used to be done til the current administration ( which is quite revisionist) changed it and now in their courserooms they make students clear every definition, even the ones that don't apply. 

So it can actually be a quick thing to look up a word and make sure you know what it means and then go onward.

Yes, church members are told that the Freezone isn't Scientology. However, the Freezone has more "purists" so to speak in it that the church does. For instance, CofS just rereleased many of Hubbard's basic books, with many many changes, and they claim that Hubbard, dead for 20 years, meant to enact these changes but never did. They've made other changes, too-LONG after the death of Hubbard. So they can't really be pointing fingers about who's got the most unbowdlerized Scn.
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10 years ago  ::  May 02, 2008 - 1:32PM #4
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10 years ago  ::  May 12, 2008 - 11:39PM #5
fluffygirl
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What's that got to do with the Freezone?

Though I suppose if one does visit that site, they'll get an earful about the Freezone. One of the most vicious message boards I've ever seen is part of xenu.net.

But, regardless of what you and they seem to think, the Freezone and CofS are not affiliated. CofS hates the Freezone and anyone who does Freezone stuff and then goes back to CofS, gets a lot of flak for it.
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10 years ago  ::  May 15, 2008 - 5:15AM #6
AnonymousIsLegion
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Please excuse dude000.  Not all Anonymous are eloquent enough to be posting on Freezone forums. =P

Anonymous by no means associates Freezone with Scientology.  And from what I've seen, niether does Xenu.net aka Operation: Clambake.  As I understand it, the leadership of the various Freezone groups have pledged philosophical support to Anonymous in Our attempt to dismantle the CoS in it's current form or at least reform it to a point that it can re-unify with Freezoners.  I have seen a great many Freezoners at the protests these past few months.

To the poster of this thread:  If you wish to stay happily dogma free, avoid the Church of Scientology at all costs!  At OT3 they reveal their mythology.  It becomes painfully obvious why they wait til OT3 to tell you about it (by this point you have payed many tens of thousands of dollars at least and no one is allowed to talk about what is revealed even if the other person knows about it too).  If you insist on moving in further, PLEASE read the Scandal Of Scientology by Paulette Cooper, A Piece of Blue Sky by John Attak and take a look at the following websites

http://xenu.net
http://xenutv.com
http://YouFoundTheCard.com
http://WhyWeProtest.net
http://ExScientologyKids.com
http://Enturbulation.org

And if you STILL think that you got enough out of those Scientology books that you want to continue despite what you learn at the above sites, PLEASE do so under the guidance of the Freezone.  They have eliminated the cult BS from it all.  Just please realize that the formal CoS WILL NOT allow you to advance any further without paying LOTS of money or doing LOTS of labor.  I'm sure fluffygirl will agree with me there.

Here is video of Freezone members speaking at Anonymous protests -

San Fransisco 5/10/2008
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3iHdXXwr8RE

UK 5/10/2008
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OQ_igAPWdWQ
http://youtube.com/watch?v=F53C-UfeIDk

UK 4/12/2008
http://youtube.com/watch?v=88CcOSUTew8

Washington DC 3/15/2008
http://youtube.com/watch?v=g7aXJXHDwGg
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WdSjGxxTF7k

UK 3/15/2008
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_Y9eqY0vtQA

Clearwater, FL 2/10/2008
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gFEAwagErHM

An Anonymous talks about Freezone
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vNsyGjLuc4k

Part 1/4 of David Mayo (L. Ron Hubbard's auditor) talks
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RCtPa8UEA6Q
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10 years ago  ::  May 15, 2008 - 1:02PM #7
fluffygirl
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Actually, Op Clambake's msg board lambasts Freezoners on a constant basis. I have a friend who has repeatedly been depicted there in JPGs showing him in a pimp suit. I can name others including myself who've been slammed there again and again for having a continuing interest in Scn.

I can provide more info on that if you want to pm me over there (I'm Ball of Fluff)  or through beliefnet.
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10 years ago  ::  May 15, 2008 - 1:04PM #8
fluffygirl
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I think the anon movement has been a very very good thing for the critical scene. I think it's provided a much needed boost.

I think that information needs to really get out there. The other critics have done a wonderful job doing that but the Anon contribution is a huge huge help and enhancement.
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10 years ago  ::  May 15, 2008 - 8:04PM #9
fluffygirl
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[QUOTE=fluffygirl;501518]Actually, Op Clambake's msg board lambasts Freezoners on a constant basis. I have a friend who has repeatedly been depicted there in JPGs showing him in a pimp suit. I can name others including myself who've been slammed there again and again for having a continuing interest in Scn.

I can provide more info on that if you want to pm me over there (I'm Ball of Fluff)  or through beliefnet.[/QUOTE]

In fact, just today someone on that message board said that they did not approve of Freezoners going to Anon pickets, that it was vulturish and reminiscent of the "volunteer ministers" in CofS.
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10 years ago  ::  May 31, 2008 - 10:51AM #10
fluffygirl
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Also, the anon's own msg board on Enturb dot org  has a lot of posts expressing distress re the Freezone. It does have some, sure, we all can believe the things we want to believe in, let's all join together re what we have in common type posts, but it has a LOT of posts that are pretty scathing re the Freezone.
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