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5 years ago  ::  Feb 12, 2010 - 11:15PM #21
RenGalskap
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When debating another person, please comment on the person's ideas, and not on the person. Going forward, posts that call another poster naive or refer to the person's babbling will meet the usual fate.
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5 years ago  ::  Feb 18, 2010 - 12:03PM #22
etoro
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The unity that you think you have with the Nikken Sect Priesthod is not real.  That is more idealogy than reality. They believe that they are superior to the lay believers. If they have improved at all when it comes to member care it is because out of fear of the SGI movement.  The Nikken sect Priesthood is a feudalistic institution based upon an authoritarisn view of the world.  They do not understand freedom of speech, of thought, of assembly and equality of all beings. Priesthoods thrive on ritual and do not adopt easily to the nature of changing conditions. Josei Toda was inprisoned for the sake of shakubuku practice and his mentor Makiguchi died in jail while converting his prision guards to Nichiren Buddhism. YOu probably first heard of Nichiren BUddhism from the SGI yourself.


Faith and practice for oneself and others is the essence of Buddhism. "Buddhism is found in faith alone" - Nichiren. .

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5 years ago  ::  Feb 23, 2010 - 12:56PM #23
etoro
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There is no doubt in my mind that the age of spiritual specialists with distinct regalia and ways of dressing is over. The Lotus Sutra itself makes it very clear that such distinctions were undermining the Buddha's true purpose even 2000 years ago.This is a very complex matter. Even Nichiren's true intentions were difficult to fathom. Depending upon who his audience was he spoke in various different contexts. I personally take great stock in the wisdom of the three Presidents of the SGI. It just seems to me that they have a correct handle on the times, and the peoples capacity all across the globe. During the founding days of the Soka Gakkai the priesthood was much more appreciatiive, deferential and generous with their praise of the founding leaders of the SGI. Buddhism is both reason and action. The powerful spiritual wisdom and action of the SGI founding leadership is indisputable and irrefutable. It is clear that our movement is genuine, earnest, sincere and supported by all the positive forces of the natural law of life. There is nothing insincere. The priesthood simply got tripped up by dogma that was grounded in mediocre practice of faith and action. They could not keep up with the vast energy of the SGI leadership in the practice of propogation and member care. These matters are self evident. At this point in the SGI's global development these are foregone conclusions.

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5 years ago  ::  Feb 26, 2010 - 2:22PM #24
etoro
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Silgverada:


You are twisting things around.  We are not slandering the Priesthood.  When the conflict reached its peek the SGI leadership requested a dialogue to clear things up. The Priesthood rejcted any discussion. They took an authoritarian stance and simply excommunicated the entire SGI movement. This itself is slanderous of human life.


The entire notion of "excommunication" is an anachronism. Yet the imposition of such a decision is a clear indication of the dogmatic and authoritarian viewpoint of the Nichiren Shoshu Priesthood, a feudal religious organization that was actually authorized to reorganize by the Meiji Government in 1918. Some of its temples actually defected to Nichiren Shu at that timer. We are no longer in a midevil world where people are cut off from spiritual benefits simply because a religious leader with a big ego says so.  No one has such authority.   


The Buddha wisdom is found in faith in Gohonzon and dedicated action to save all people alone. All living beings possess the  Budha nature / the ninth level of consciousness. This storehouse of wisdom is activated by chanting to the Gohonzon with faith and also teaching others to do the same. This wisdom is also displayed by a great unity of purpose among many in body functioning with the one purpose of the Buddha's wisdom, that is the achievement of the universal propogation of the Dharma Law. 


Before the appearance of Makiguchi, Toda and Ikeda there was no great propagation of the great Dharma of the Lotus Sutra and Nichiren Buddhism in Japan nor anywhere else in the world. Today, owing to the great leadership of these three men in the spirit of mentor and disciple, the observation of the great Dharma has spread to over 193 countries and territories throughout the world under the banner of the SGI.  This is an unprecedented event in the entire history of Buddhism and mankind itself that will never again be duplicated. This foundation is the basis for the accomplishment of the universal mandate of the Lotus Sutra and the will of all Buddhas. This is simply an indisputable fact of reality.

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5 years ago  ::  Feb 28, 2010 - 8:10AM #25
etoro
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Your counter arguments are shallow and not worth commenting on any further.  Your making assertion without facts to back them up.  Your views remain on the surface of things. There is no depth to your logic and reasoning.  Here we will simply agree to disagree.


All the best.

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4 years ago  ::  Feb 28, 2010 - 9:37PM #26
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4 years ago  ::  Mar 08, 2010 - 7:21AM #27
etoro
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Ren:


We cant see the purpose for your statement.  Who are you refering too?


 

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 30, 2010 - 12:48AM #28
Neverdespise
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Feb 26, 2010 -- 2:22PM, etoro wrote:


Silgverada:


You are twisting things around.  We are not slandering the Priesthood.  When the conflict reached its peek the SGI leadership requested a dialogue to clear things up. The Priesthood rejcted any discussion. They took an authoritarian stance and simply excommunicated the entire SGI movement. This itself is slanderous of human life.


The entire notion of "excommunication" is an anachronism. Yet the imposition of such a decision is a clear indication of the dogmatic and authoritarian viewpoint of the Nichiren Shoshu Priesthood, a feudal religious organization that was actually authorized to reorganize by the Meiji Government in 1918. Some of its temples actually defected to Nichiren Shu at that timer. We are no longer in a midevil world where people are cut off from spiritual benefits simply because a religious leader with a big ego says so.  No one has such authority.   


The Buddha wisdom is found in faith in Gohonzon and dedicated action to save all people alone. All living beings possess the  Budha nature / the ninth level of consciousness. This storehouse of wisdom is activated by chanting to the Gohonzon with faith and also teaching others to do the same. This wisdom is also displayed by a great unity of purpose among many in body functioning with the one purpose of the Buddha's wisdom, that is the achievement of the universal propogation of the Dharma Law. 


Before the appearance of Makiguchi, Toda and Ikeda there was no great propagation of the great Dharma of the Lotus Sutra and Nichiren Buddhism in Japan nor anywhere else in the world. Today, owing to the great leadership of these three men in the spirit of mentor and disciple, the observation of the great Dharma has spread to over 193 countries and territories throughout the world under the banner of the SGI.  This is an unprecedented event in the entire history of Buddhism and mankind itself that will never again be duplicated. This foundation is the basis for the accomplishment of the universal mandate of the Lotus Sutra and the will of all Buddhas. This is simply an indisputable fact of reality.




I have no horse in this race. But I found some very interesting insights into the nature of the Soka Gakkai and President Ikeda by a third party, the defrocked Nichiren Shoshu Priest Kando Tono:


groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.bud...


Also, most of your arguments derive from the SGI tome, A Toynbee Analysis of the Fuji School. You may download and read it here:

docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B1xmnHkI0Z-...
NTBiZDIwODBhNzIw&hl=en

It is a self serving analysis based on Gakkai self importance and propaganda
[World of Anger according to Buddhism]. It is not based on the Lotus Sutra and
the teachings of Nichiren Daishonin and therefore, it is not based on The World
of Buddhahood. Fortunately, there exists the Kempon Hokke to right the wrongs of
this ornate rhetoric and meaningless talk [in light of the True Teachings of Nichiren].
E-mail me if you have any questions:

Illarraza@yahoo.com

May Namu Myoho renge kyo and the Gohonzon for the Transmission of the Dharma
spread throughout the world.


Buku


 

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 30, 2010 - 12:59AM #29
Neverdespise
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Try this please for a Toynbee Analysis of the Fuji School


docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B1xmnHkI0Z-...

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 30, 2010 - 1:28PM #30
etoro
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Mark this long standing crusade of yours is simply astonishing.  I actually remember meeting you back in 1984 in front of the kaikan on 14th street. I think it was Greg or Larry that introduced me to you.  You were practicing in Riverdale with Gregs group or Fort Independence or something. You were always deeply affected by what had occurred with Reverenc Tono and the like.  Reverend Tono was actually replaced by Reverend Shina.  Reverend Shina today is a member of the reformed Priests of Japan who still supports the Soka Gakkai's movement for Kosen Rufu.


 


Its a new age of Democracy. Japan is still adjusting culturally to this new reality.  They are just emerging from a feudalistic social structure.  Makiguchi, the first President of the Soka Gakkai  had been raliling against Japan's anachronistic social structure going back since 1903, long before he even heard of Nichiren Buddhism. The movement of the Soka Gakkai has its origins in educational then social and economic reforms, addressing reality as it is, support of the grassroots common people and freedom of social conscience, and conscientious objectors of the military government of world war 2 and fighters for religious freedom. This trend is common all over the modern world over the last 200+ years. 


One of the virtues of manifested Buddha wisdom is the ability to practice correctly from this moment forward. After all isn't it the principle of the Lotus Sutra that the Buddha wisdom is embodied in this single moment of awakened perception, conception, voliton and consciousness, the Thusness of the Tathagata and the ten factors expounded in the second chapter of the Lotus Sutra.  Correct practice leads to total victory.  This is the trend of the Soka Gakkai International under the leadership of its first three Presidents.


It is clear that the teaching of Buddhism must always accord with the times and the people's capacity.  Nichiren was the first to begin a campaign for the dignity and freedom of the common people of his country and by extension all people everywhere. This has always been the timeless quest of homo sapiens and the true calling of all enlightened spiritual leaders. This process is still unfolding in human evolution.  The so called great vehicle wisdom of the Buddha is probably the most advanced and sophisticated expression of this age old spiritual quest of human kind.


It was always the Buddha's deepest desire that the common householder inherit this calling so that a reformation of human civilization can ensue grounded in the Buddha wisdom of the heart of hearts. 


This is the point.


 


 


 


 


 


 

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