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5 years ago  ::  Jun 16, 2008 - 10:41AM #11
Redfrog777
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I would love to see a example of both good and evil as defined by humans that does not involve humans.

If you you don't have natural examples of both without humans involved what does that tell you about good or evil?
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5 years ago  ::  Jun 17, 2008 - 9:46AM #12
Redfrog777
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Come on guys and galls, no body want to take a stab at that last one?
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5 years ago  ::  Jun 30, 2008 - 6:42AM #13
TigersEyeDowsing
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Gosh Red,

Never thought about it. :eek:  I guess this is very true!
Churchianity, by substituting creed for Christ and dogma instead of the divine facts of being, has stripped Love of her royal robes and has left her standing an unheeded beggar in the universe of God. - Rev. W. John Murray
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5 years ago  ::  Jul 02, 2008 - 10:50AM #14
Redfrog777
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Dame shame it's a show stopper. You would think that someone would have a come back?
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5 years ago  ::  Jul 06, 2008 - 8:45PM #15
river8101
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Good and evil have nothing to do with pantheism.  Stop trying to make a religion out of it.  Pantheism is a philosophy.     Of course there is plenty of evil in this world and much good, but it's not related to pantheism.   Pantheism affirms nature.   It is a philosophy, but without the mythos.  But that doesn't mean it's OK do evil or we should accept it.    There are many religious philosophers who said good things, and plenty who said outrageous criminal things.   My favorite is:  "That which is hateful to you, do not do to another. " Hillel.

“Faith is deciding to allow yourself to believe something your intellect would otherwise cause you to reject.”
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5 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2008 - 5:37AM #16
TigersEyeDowsing
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[QUOTE=river8101;608108]Good and evil have nothing to do with pantheism.  Stop trying to make a religion out of it.  Pantheism is a philosophy.   

Of course there is plenty of evil in this world and much good, but it's not related to pantheism.   Pantheism affirms nature.   It is a philosophy, but without the myths.  But that doesn't mean it's OK do evil or we should accept it.    There are many religious philosophers who said good things.   My favorite is:

"That which is hateful to you, do not do to another. " Hillel.[/QUOTE]

The definition of Pantheism is this:

1. the doctrine that God is the transcendent reality of which the material universe and human beings are only manifestations: it involves a denial of God's personality and expresses a tendency to identify God and nature.
2. any religious belief or philosophical doctrine that identifies God with the universe.

-www.dictionary.com

Pantheism is different things to different people, and for some of us, our religion is Pantheistic.  So good and evil play a big part, for some of us, in Pantheism.  If you view it only as a 'way of thinking', that is fine.
Churchianity, by substituting creed for Christ and dogma instead of the divine facts of being, has stripped Love of her royal robes and has left her standing an unheeded beggar in the universe of God. - Rev. W. John Murray
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5 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2008 - 10:47AM #17
Redfrog777
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River8101

“Of course there is plenty of evil in this world and much good, but it's not related to pantheism.”

First I would ask where’s the good? Where’s the evil? Outside of human judgments and determinations these do not exist. Therefore there is no good or evil “in the world” simply good and evil in ones own mind.

2ed If there is plenty of evil in this world and much good, how is it possible that these have nothing to do with pantheism?

If one holds a god is everything-everything is god point of view (pantheism). Then “everything” (like it or not) has “everything” to do with pantheism.
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5 years ago  ::  Aug 03, 2008 - 4:04PM #18
Casstranquility
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Hi, everyone! Thanks for replying and sharing your thoughts on what evil is, and how you view it as a pantheist.

Hi, Redfrog777. Plants, animals, rocks and other parts of nature do not see good and evil. They do not think about it, they do not comprehend it, they do not judge. Life for them is about life, not judging what life is or what they would like it to be. Isn't nature a wonderful teacher? My cats have been trying to teach me patience and love the way they know it, but I'm a slow learner.

River8101, Good and Evil do have domething to do have something to do with pantheism- pantheism is my belief about the universe and everything having to do with the universe, so as Redfrog said, everything has meaning in pantheism. Because Pantheism is so diverse, though, being more of a philosophy (as you say) and not a set of rigid rules,  we are allowed to view good and evil in any manner we wish that allows for the universe/infinity to be God.
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5 years ago  ::  Aug 03, 2008 - 5:55PM #19
TigersEyeDowsing
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[QUOTE=Casstranquility;666417]Hi, everyone! Thanks for replying and sharing your thoughts on what evil is, and how you view it as a pantheist.

Hi, Redfrog777. Plants, animals, rocks and other parts of nature do not see good and evil. They do not think about it, they do not comprehend it, they do not judge. Life for them is about life, not judging what life is or what they would like it to be. Isn't nature a wonderful teacher? My cats have been trying to teach me patience and love the way they know it, but I'm a slow learner.

River8101, Good and Evil do have domething to do have something to do with pantheism- pantheism is my belief about the universe and everything having to do with the universe, so as Redfrog said, everything has meaning in pantheism. Because Pantheism is so diverse, though, being more of a philosophy (as you say) and not a set of rigid rules,  we are allowed to view good and evil in any manner we wish that allows for the universe/infinity to be God.[/QUOTE]

Well said Cass :)  I have a lot of cat teachers myself, as I've managed to accumulate 7 now.  You wouldn't be wanting 5 adorable homeless kittens would you? ;)
Churchianity, by substituting creed for Christ and dogma instead of the divine facts of being, has stripped Love of her royal robes and has left her standing an unheeded beggar in the universe of God. - Rev. W. John Murray
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5 years ago  ::  Aug 06, 2008 - 1:37PM #20
Redfrog777
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"Cats Rule!!!! Cat People Rule!!!!
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