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7 years ago  ::  Mar 02, 2008 - 11:25AM #1
AshtarothKarnim
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ilu shelem

I was curious for the elder pagan zurvanism types and cult of mithra, (where considered elder) of the old system, rather than modern Zoroastria expression and cult.

i follow Baals but the Sassanids turned up to bless us all.

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7 years ago  ::  May 09, 2008 - 9:40PM #2
POC777
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Does Zoroaster give you hope?
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7 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2008 - 11:28AM #3
Invictius
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I heard that 75% of the Zoroastrian followers are in India and are know as Parsis If this is true then I also heard about the Sassanid Empire which colloapse when Islam came during the 7th AD so how come so many ppl changed the fate to Islam when most followed the Zorostrian Religion?

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6 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2008 - 10:45PM #4
renaka
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[QUOTE=Invictius;536956]I heard that 75% of the Zoroastrian followers are in India and are know as Parsis If this is true then I also heard about the Sassanid Empire which colloapse when Islam came during the 7th AD so how come so many ppl changed the fate to Islam when most followed the Zorostrian Religion?

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They were given dhimmitude status, or given the option to convert or die.
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6 years ago  ::  Sep 24, 2008 - 4:54PM #5
Invictius
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But why didnt they fight back they had magnificent armies
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6 years ago  ::  Sep 28, 2008 - 5:32PM #6
Klen
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[QUOTE=Invictius;782003]But why didnt they fight back they had magnificent armies[/QUOTE]
They did fight back, for 30 years. But it wasn't enough.

While the Persians had massive armies, they had no real war-time leaders as they did in the preceding millennium, their commanders were not as good as some of the Arab leaders. So, while the Persians won some battles, most of the major ones were won by Arabs, who annexed much of the area surrounding the Iranian plateau. Yazdgerd III's assassination in 651 essentially collapsed the empire, as the political ranks were already weakened due to past indiscretions by other rulers.

The Islamic caliphate immediately implemented a system to repress Persian culture, including swapping Persian for Arabic as the official language (depending on the location and time, punishment varied from warnings to torture and death), increased taxation on non-Muslims (to benefit Muslims financially and prevent Muslims from converting), Arabization of the Persian language, and eventually, you were required to be a Muslim to work for the government.
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6 years ago  ::  Sep 28, 2008 - 6:08PM #7
Invictius
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That's quite sad I liked Zoroastrianism(except for the Death Ritual) well altleast there are few Zoroasters left in the world. Its not completely destroyed.
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6 years ago  ::  Jun 16, 2009 - 3:22PM #8
Julian the Apostate
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Regarding the Sassanid collapse, it's important to remember that the Sassanids and the Romans were engaged in a centuries-long "cold war" that often flared into major, devastating conflicts. One such period was that immediately preceding the Arab conquest. The Persians had had driven the (east) Romans all the way back to the walls of Constantinople, bringing the Empire to the brink of collapse. Heraclius left the city to its seige and conducted a devestating campaign that brought the Sassanid Empire to its knees. Thus both empires were exhausted when the Arab onslaught began - soon Persia was overwhelmed completely and the Byzantines lost Egypt, Syria and the Levant.

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5 years ago  ::  Nov 04, 2009 - 10:27PM #9
Thehiddenmagi
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It has been postulated, as well, that Zoroastrianism of the time of the Muslim conquest had become a 'faith of the few', namely those in the upper echelons of society/government, with the majority of the population of the Sassanid Empire left out.


While dhimmitude may have played a factor, many 'commoners' are said to have gladly adopted Islam. A similar situation in the Christendom of the Levant, where conflict between those churches and Constantinople caused many there to welcome the Islamic invaders.

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5 years ago  ::  Nov 18, 2009 - 1:26AM #10
gnosticlight
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Religion is organic and all things organic are born, live, change, grow and branch out, decline and eventually pass away leaving seeds of its former glory to sprout again in new environments. Islam overtook Zoroastrianism just as a youth may overtake an elderly person in a race. It is the fate of all facets of civilization. Thankfully the purest fruit of any religion, by its very nature can withstand the test of time and when all has run its course only that which is truly enriching and meant to thrive on into the far future will remain.


The blessed Zarathrustra gave a sublime gift to humanity: A more complete understanding of the concept of "faith."

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