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7 years ago  ::  Feb 13, 2008 - 10:52PM #1
Truth27
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Greetings,

People (esp. Americans) need to face up to the fact that people from KMT were (and are) often racially ambiguous (i.e. mixed).  In fact, there is currently a spectrum of complexions that runs from south (dark brown-Nubians) to north (brownish tan-Arabs).  So is there any reason to think that the ancient Egyptians appeared any differently?  I think that if we sampled a cross section of the inhabitants of ancient Egypt (~Old or Middle Kingdom eras), they would be darker in the south, lighter in the north, and something in between in the mid regions.  There would be a balance.  The main reason why there are now strong Arab-appearing groups in the south is because of the later invasions from Persia, Greece, Rome, and Arabia (yes, with all of these invasions, its AMAZING that the dark brown skinned Nubians still even EXIST in southern Egypt!!).  Before the invasions, there was probably more of an even spread.  This balance reflects the historically documented (Narmer) comming together of two proto-Egyptian civilizations.  One from the south (i.e. Black Sudan), the other from the north (i.e. the Levant). 

Why is that so hard to accept?  Why do people like Jared Diamond (in the second to last chapter of 'Guns Germs and Steel') make wild assertions that North Africa, Egypt, Ethiopia, and Somalia are 'white' regions of the continent?  Why even use the term?  Its like, as much as he claims to want to oppose racism through the book, he cant resist the COMPULSION to perpetuate inaccuracies and gross generalizations!  Then there are Afrocentrics like Kete Asante and Karenga who would deny the clear evidence that Northern Egyptians derived from the Levant (ie weren't what we would call 'black').  It all boils down to the American inability to deal with racial ambiguity.  Everything has to be either/or.       

Peace.
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7 years ago  ::  Feb 13, 2008 - 11:06PM #2
Truth27
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Here are current day Egyptians:

Southern Egyptians:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubians

Northern Egyptians:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Egyptian_fellah.jpg

They were (and are) a SPECTRUM!!!!!

Peace.
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7 years ago  ::  Feb 19, 2008 - 7:49PM #3
Luvjust4U
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[QUOTE=Truth27;287429]Greetings,...Why is that so hard to accept?  Why do people like Jared Diamond (in the second to last chapter of 'Guns Germs and Steel') make wild assertions that North Africa, Egypt, Ethiopia, and Somalia are 'white' regions of the continent?  Why even use the term?  Its like, as much as he claims to want to oppose racism through the book, he cant resist the COMPULSION to perpetuate inaccuracies and gross generalizations!  Then there are Afrocentrics like Kete Asante and Karenga who would deny the clear evidence that Northern Egyptians derived from the Levant (ie weren't what we would call 'black').  It all boils down to the American inability to deal with racial ambiguity.  Everything has to be either/or.        Peace.[/QUOTE]

Greetings Truth27.  The Truth is so hard to accept because the goal of white supremacy is built on the foundation of asserted and assumed  so called black inferiority to so called whites.  They can't allow or accept the FACT that people with dark brown and brown skin could have possibily been living in civilized advanced kingdoms  like Egypt to Babylon to ancient Israel totally of our own creativity and intellect.  Their minds can't see past their own lies . Thus , many fail to comprehend the truth Africans were very intelligent before any form of contact with Gentiles who made a religion of skin color.  Black and white equals gray and there is no such thing as gray skinned people, thus no such thing as a literal black skinned.  The greater truth is people with brown shades of skin light tan to dark brown have always been ambiguous to skin color because they have always understood we are much more than that.  Judging people based on skin color is about as silly as judging how a car will perform based on it's exterior paint job.  Africans were once so above that madness until the bringing of the fables of white skin black skin. It's then you have Rwanda racism between Tutsi and Hutu, Ethiopians being  rejected by the Italian mixed Eritreans etc.  Seeing Africans falling into that social illness makes authors like the one you name seem credible though historical FACTS discredit his assumptions.

While we realize there's nothing wrong with the colors black and white intrinsically, the use to determine an illusion of races has always been divisive and solely used to undermine the intellectual composition and contributions of Africans to the overall advancments of earthly civilizations. Africans were building superior architectural kingdoms have to be called evrything but African or so called black.  To a proxy white racist, anything positive labeled African or so called Black civilizations discredits the white supremacist propaganda. African or so called Blacks have to remain in a status of inferiority to so called whites or European/Caucasian kingdoms. The truth is that Africans had the first evidences of writings, engineering, medicines, clothe making, fabric dying, food preservation, math etc., which most Africans never thought of in the same context of many so called whites as being racially superior or better than another people. Thus, when the Greeks and Romans started trading with African Kingdoms like North African places like Egypt, Africans were allowing their best and brightest minds to travel to Europe to show them how to cut huge stones, make brick, square walls etc as well as Semitic people who also intermingled. These so called non whites never envisioned the descendants of Europeans turning on their African descendants and fomenting racism that would one day deny and reject Africans as having any part in the advancement of humanity and civilizations.

The  question you asked,"Why do people like Jared Diamond (in the second to last chapter of 'Guns Germs and Steel') make wild assertions that North Africa, Egypt, Ethiopia, and Somalia are 'white' regions of the continent?",
is answered by this.  They want to justify the milleniums and centuries of stealing from Africans. It's no different than what has happened to Native Americans who are now mostly look totally like so called whites because they have been bred out.  Before you can justify such evil things, you have to convince the masses on both sides that those lies are true. You have to make Africans look like one big charity case which is why commercials are daily showing the lowest images of Africans. Make people, including Africans and so called blacks, believe they are better off because of so called white people while simultaneously teaching parts of Africa were white territories. You can basically ensure in 50 years AIDS will have done to Africa was STD's did to the darker skinned Native Americans tribes.  Not all so called whites are party to it, but their descendants will benefit from it just as Americans did when genocide was being executed against the Native Americans who originally were darker brown skinned like the Mexicans.  When will it stop ? When will people stop playing their wicked deadly race game?

Anyway, just saw another one of your interesting topics Truth 27. As long as we wear their white black race labels, it will be to their advantage as it keeps humanity divided and confused as to our real identity as a ONE HUMAN RACE  Tree with different Ethnic Branches.
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6 years ago  ::  Feb 28, 2008 - 9:22PM #4
AshtarothKarnim
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ilu shelem!

The magic of Egypt is that is was, and is, a land of various types.
The North-east was Levant/Arab Hyksos (Avarice), the north-west Mediterranean/greek (Alexandria)
the south was famous for dark nubians who made good archers for Pharaoh.
So Egypt remains a mystery of races getting along.

what wonder of the Genie is this?

salem!
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6 years ago  ::  Aug 13, 2008 - 7:42PM #5
MeritAset
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Wow this isn't even an issue anywhere else as far as I am aware (I'm Australian and have never come across it in our admittedly small Kemetic society).

Senebty,
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6 years ago  ::  Nov 21, 2008 - 6:20AM #6
kemeticfollower
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I can not understand this obsession about race and color  of the skin in  some groups of the Kemetic faith.
If we look closely at our faith their is no reference to the color of the skin this is simple because they did not even think about such issues backed up by historical evidence.
It is a fact that in ancient times race and color where not even a issue everybody was seen as the same which is proof that this argument over weather the founders of our faith where black or white is totally irrelevant.
The reason that there is no reference to color is because this is a issue of the modern world heavily  influenced by the modern faiths that have dominated the world for the past 2000 yrs.
Those who are true followers of the Kemetic faith should have put aside these prejudices when they join the faith.For they never have been part of our faith and should not be aloud to enter our faith.They are nothing but destructive and damaging . 
In these times people where just people who would not give a second thought to the color of the skin.
So why can not we just except people for who they are not what they are and respect their views.
After all we should be as one as followers of the Kemetic faith brothers and sisters united in our belief.
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3 years ago  ::  Oct 26, 2011 - 9:28AM #7
Vvtheseeker
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I totally agree!


The Egyptians have always been racially ambiguous simply because it's likely the original human race was brown. From the middle east/north african area pretty much all races can derive as you have fair skinned middle easteners, dark nubians, asiatic..., plus with the theory of Egypt as the cradle of civilization/life...most definitely. 


On one side of the coin you have people swearing up and down that the Egyptians were 'white'. Look at the graphic depictions, heiroglyphics and geographics and you'll see its simply not true. On the other side you have Egypt (and Kemet) as one of the favorite claiming marks of fringe anti-white afrocentrics who use Kemet to assert their 'racial superiority'. 


However even the Bible refers to Egyptians as a 'mixed race' or 'mixed multitude'. You have your sub-saharan, ebon colored Nubians, you have your 'average' brown skinned Egyptian, and even some North Egyptians were fair in complexion. 


It shouldn't matter personally...but people should know the truth instead of eurocentrizing it. Great post!

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 26, 2011 - 9:30AM #8
Vvtheseeker
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Nov 21, 2008 -- 6:20AM, kemeticfollower wrote:

I can not understand this obsession about race and color  of the skin in  some groups of the Kemetic faith. If we look closely at our faith their is no reference to the color of the skin this is simple because they did not even think about such issues backed up by historical evidence. It is a fact that in ancient times race and color where not even a issue everybody was seen as the same which is proof that this argument over weather the founders of our faith where black or white is totally irrelevant. The reason that there is no reference to color is because this is a issue of the modern world heavily  influenced by the modern faiths that have dominated the world for the past 2000 yrs.  Those who are true followers of the Kemetic faith should have put aside these prejudices when they join the faith.For they never have been part of our faith and should not be aloud to enter our faith.They are nothing but destructive and damaging .   In these times people where just people who would not give a second thought to the color of the skin.  So why can not we just except people for who they are not what they are and respect their views. After all we should be as one as followers of the Kemetic faith brothers and sisters united in our belief.



Simply put with some peoples and cultural mentalities race is more of their god than the actual ones they claim to devote themselves to...

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