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4 years ago  ::  Dec 30, 2010 - 7:50PM #61
John_T_Mainer
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Your wife shares your connection to the sacred ancestors and the gods.  Through your mingling blood in the body of your first child, or in the blood claim of a child of either one of you the other adopts or claims, your bloods will be joined for all time.


The gods will know her as they know you, just as it would be appropriate for you to make offering to her ancestors as well at blot, for in taking her, you have taken them as well.  Oddly enough, the Bible has a wonderful example of this in King Solomon; he was critizied by the Jews for making sacrifice to foreign gods once he took a foreign wife.  He clearly understood that in joining with her line, each of them undertook obligation to the gods and sacred ancestors of the other.


I think you will find that the racist Asatu Nazi's out there are basically racists looking to dress up their hatred in pretty clothes.  Thier poison has nothing to do with Asatru, they don't understand it.  Our gods themselves spring from three races, so they are hardly the bassis for a dogma of racial purity.  Alone of all the faiths we can absolutly say that family and not race is the bassis of our connection to our gods.


Dec 28, 2010 -- 1:12AM, Bairre wrote:


Jan 4, 2008 -- 1:53PM, L'Esprit wrote:

Hello everyone, I'm new to the community and am in the process of learning about Asatru. I know a fair amount about the gods, the typical ritual practices, etc. However, I've never known any practitioners of Asatru personally so all of my knowledge has come from online. It seems to me that there is a great diversity amongst those that practice Asatru, particularly with regard to certain social issues. I would be interested in any comments related to typical views on race, homosexuality, and any relationship between some in the community to right wing political organizations. I've encountered information on some websites that I would rate as being very liberal/progressive as well as information on other sites that I would rate as being conservative/traditional. Is this diversity typical of Asatru?




I am an anarchist politically, as I feel no government could ever, in any way provide freedom or social justice.  I hold no political affiliation and feel that government is mostly an extention of Corporate interests.  As far as issues go.  I am pro-gun, pro-choice, pro-gay, anti-racist, anti-sexist, anti-Capitalist/Communist, radical enviromentalist.


Race has been a hard thing for me to deal with when it comes to others.  My wife is black, and that doesn't set well with a lot of people in the south.  And most Heathans here are National Socialists.  That being said, I have found a small group of Asatruars who practice Stav together and who are accepting of my wife.  That has been a blessing from the gods.  My wife knows more about the lore and the traditions than most anyone I know, so I find it odd that people would tell her she doesn't belong in our religion.  She was the one who introduced it to me.





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4 years ago  ::  Dec 31, 2010 - 11:37AM #62
Jorm
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I care about exactly one social issue: Freedom.


Don't violate my freedoms and I'll leave you alone in return.


 


Homosexuality does not dishonor my tribe, pick my pocket or break my leg. In short, it's none of my business.


 


I'm folkish, but moderate. Let me elaborate: It is generally a better practice to follow the faith of your tribe and your ancestors.


But people do change places, and they join tribes. If someone proves his worth to your tribe, why not make him a tribesman?


If you're a Trú Heathen I'll raise the horn with you, if you prove your worth to me I'll make you part of my innagardh.


 


 


The whole Folkish/Univ. debate is pointless:


Universalists think there's that big brown horde wanting to join Asatrú. The folkish fear there is... And both are wrong!


 


Asatrú has a majority of members of Germanic heritage. We also have a small minority of members from other ethnic backgrounds. Some people do join tribes, after all Tongue out!


 


Those minority members live as our fellow tribesmen. They ARE part of our Folk. They've become so by virtue of being admitted into our kindreds and tribes. They live Heathen, and often marry Heathens and raise Heathen families.


 


If you'll excuse the repetition, a black man who worships as a Heathen lives Heathen is nothing but a Heathen. And if he marries a Heathen woman and raises Heathen kids, he'll be doing more for the future of our Folkway than many full-blooded Northern European Heathens I know. Tongue out

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4 years ago  ::  Jan 01, 2011 - 5:25PM #63
Bairre
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Dec 30, 2010 -- 7:50PM, John_T_Mainer wrote:


Your wife shares your connection to the sacred ancestors and the gods.  Through your mingling blood in the body of your first child, or in the blood claim of a child of either one of you the other adopts or claims, your bloods will be joined for all time.


The gods will know her as they know you, just as it would be appropriate for you to make offering to her ancestors as well at blot, for in taking her, you have taken them as well.  Oddly enough, the Bible has a wonderful example of this in King Solomon; he was critizied by the Jews for making sacrifice to foreign gods once he took a foreign wife.  He clearly understood that in joining with her line, each of them undertook obligation to the gods and sacred ancestors of the other.


I think you will find that the racist Asatu Nazi's out there are basically racists looking to dress up their hatred in pretty clothes.  Thier poison has nothing to do with Asatru, they don't understand it.  Our gods themselves spring from three races, so they are hardly the bassis for a dogma of racial purity.  Alone of all the faiths we can absolutly say that family and not race is the bassis of our connection to our gods.




That's pretty much how I feel about it.  My wife and I try to honor her West African ancestral deities as well as my Northern European ones.  I find an incredible similarity in the polytheist West African Traditions and the Northern European Traditions.  Shongo and Thor are very similar.  So are Loki and Eshu.  Its rather interesting to me.


I agree that her faith in the gods is her's and no one has the right to tell her she can't follow this path. 

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3 years ago  ::  Dec 14, 2011 - 7:18AM #64
Aelfwynn
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I tend towards moderate fiscal and social Libertarianism, I'm pro-gun rights, pro-choice (even though I'd not have an abortion myself if I could help it, I believe kids are better off coming into a world where their parents actually want them), pro-gay rights and gay marriage etc, basically pro anything that keeps govt bureaucrats and self-congratulating busybodies out of my face (not easy here in Europe, since we're so bloody infested with them!!!)


Sadly Libertarianism isn't all that well represented here in the UK - I mean they have some good ideas on economics and all, but then they go all Ron Paul on matters of war, defense etc. (sorry if anyone here likes Ron Paul, but I just think he's crazy on foreign policy and should stick to cookery writing - that way he'd only risk nuking his own kitchen rather paving the way for the Iranians to nuke half the mediterranean! Anyway, I'm not gonna start ranting about all that...)


I'd probably vote Conservative here in Britain, but there's too many wishy-washy pro-EU bureaucrats even there, and they seem to have all the twin-set and pearls, "Church Fete on the village green" busybodies in there too, who still believe that all the gays, heathens and pagans should be driven from the land under the smiting shadow of the cross! The UK Independence Party (usually just called ukip) aren't too bad, and have described their fiscal policy at least as being libertarian, so I might give them a look up.


For libertarian thinkers I like Hayeck, Thomas Sowell, Milton Friedman, and I want to read Ludwig Von Mises soon too. I detest communism, woolly-brained liberal socialist do-goodism (which usually ends up just doing bad in the end) and national socialism. Militant authoritarian leftists and nazis are to me the worst of nithings politically speaking, and I literally believe that all the Maos, Pol Pots, Eichmans and Mengeles will be right now in Nilfhel, suffering the poisons of their own vile iniquities (I'd happily send them there too if they ever tried to trample on my kin's wellbeing and freedom, then I'd go and eat my dinner, no problem!) 


Having said all that I also dislike crony capitalism, where corporations interfere with govt and win special privileges. I don't believe we should have bailed out the banks - I mean I don't get anyone bail me out of I make stupid financial mistakes! The govt could have spent that money on supplying our army with better equipment, like decent boots for gods' sake!


That brings me to another thing - the military. I think we need to have all the latest military hardware, the biggest nukes and the baddest special forces etc here in the west. PEOPLE WHO'D WANT TO DAMAGE OUR FREEDOM SHOULD BE SCARED OF US! What's the point in having a nice decent, freedom-loving country if your borders are pretty much undefended and all the crazies in the rest of the world think you're a soft target?


Immigration - no problem with people coming from wherever they want to come from if they're coming here to work, contribute, and respect our freedom of speech, civil liberties etc. I will NOT support the rights of anyone coming here though who wants to use our democracy and civil liberties, human rights laws etc, to get away with peddling their pernicious fascistic hate-filled intolerance on our own soil. This is something else I rant about, and another reason I believe in gun ownership! I've lived alongside people from all different races and creeds and have usually found something to respect about all of them. Hitler-admiring, Hindu- and Jew-hating Jihadist though, I can and will not abide, ever, EVER - I want these people kicked out of my country NOW (they and all the "Christian" fascist terrorists like Breivik can go and fight it out together on another planet for all I care, and leave all the rest of us alone in peace!)


As to race - quite simply, I don't believe it's anything other than skin deep. I'll marry who I want, and wouldn't give it a second thought if they happened to be Jewish, black, yellow or whatever. (Infact, I'd be happy especially to marry a Jew, then I'd be quite literally reversing the Nuremberg laws of the Nazis! Thinking about things like that pleases me very much LOL!)


Welfare state - I believe that those who can work should be made to, and none of this being paid to sit at home malarky "because there's no jobs I like the look of, or who'd pay as much as I'm getting on the dole!" Well, tough! If I was in charge, those people would be waiting tables and cleaning toilets, like, today, this lunchtime, and if they didn't turn up for work, they'd be eating out of dustbins I'm afraid. Welfare is, IMO, only for people who really can't do for themselves, like the disabled, widows and old people. It's NOT for lazy yobs who stay up smoking weed til 4am and disturb the neighbours with their wild parties, and then whinge that they're too depressed and anxious to hold a job down. It's NOT for teenage mothers who're still kids themselves and think that crisps and biscuits are a good breakfast for a growing child  (I'd means test them and make them go live with their parents - if they couldn't afford to keep them either I'd give welfare for the first kid maybe, but if she has anymore then that's just too bad - she'd get no free housing from me! They'd become wards of the state if she couldn't afford to feed them! That'd make them think more carefully before they had unprotected sex with any feral omega male who happens along!)


I might sound like a crusty old right-winger, but these views of mine are simply based on my experience of life and the human condition so far - I really can't help thinking like this LOL!

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3 years ago  ::  Dec 18, 2011 - 11:38AM #65
John_T_Mainer
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Thats a typical Asatru response.  With the acceptance of personal responsibility for your own choices, the acceptance of the right of others to excercize those same choices becomes a given.  With the acceptance that a government does have responsibilities towards the collective defence and and interests, it requires the best tools with which to do so. I just wish it would stay out of matters that don't concern it at all!



Asatruar will differ as to our stances on various issues, but I am quite pleased with the internal consistency of most of our folk's positions; we tend not to ask for what we do not believe everyone should have, nor restrict what we ourselves would use if needed.

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3 years ago  ::  Dec 29, 2011 - 10:09PM #66
rangerken
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It's good to see some discussion on this forum. Just thought I'd look in and wish everyone a Happy New Year.


Rangerken, Beliefnet Community Moderator

Libertarian, Conservative, Life member of the NRA and VFW
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2 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2013 - 4:03AM #67
Followerofodin
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I'm new to this path as well and I feel as though I've found my place in the wide community. I was Wiccan for seventeen years but I started to feel disconnected to the path. I looked around for something else until I found Heathenism. I like that Heathenism isn't a nature based religion but a religion of the gods like Odin, Thor, Frigg, Freya, and all the others. I really like to read the stories of the Norse gods because it helps me connect to the past. I'm here to learn and to share my experiences.

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