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6 years ago  ::  Nov 14, 2007 - 6:16AM #21
Jm8
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Maya,

it has everything to do with it. If God wouldn't be a person, He wouldn't come to protect and reestablish dharma (BG 4.7-8: http://vedabase.net/bg/4/7/en), which defines good and bad. Without an objective and absolute definition of good and bad everything would become chaotic and ruined due to adharmic inclinations and actions of matter-conditioned beings (= us) (BG 3.20-24: http://vedabase.net/bg/3/20/en). This is how things degrade in Kali yuga: http://vedabase.net/sb/12/2/en

Hope this helps. Hare Krishna

"This Krishna Consciousness is a science to understand what is the difference between a dead body and a living body". (A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada)

Your servant, bh. Jan

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6 years ago  ::  Nov 14, 2007 - 7:56AM #22
Maya3
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Jm8;
No you are wrong. Being gay is NOT wrong.

I hope THIS helps.

Maya
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6 years ago  ::  Nov 15, 2007 - 5:39AM #23
Jm8
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Maya,

being a gay is not wrong although it's of of many types of karmic punishment from previous life/s. Homosexual activity brings further negative karma.

You don't have to argue with me, I'm not presenting my opinions here but what dharma sastras say. You may just like it or not, that's all.

Hope this helps. Hare Krishna

"This Krishna Consciousness is a science to understand what is the difference between a dead body and a living body". (A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada)

Your servant, bh. Jan

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6 years ago  ::  Nov 15, 2007 - 7:41AM #24
Maya3
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No, homosexual activity (and I assume you mean sex  here) does not bring on negative karma.

The only negative karma in this circumstance is coming from the unequal way some people treat gays and for the fact that they don't yet have full rigths under the law.

Maya
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6 years ago  ::  Nov 18, 2007 - 3:47PM #25
Kristine
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Respect for each other is necessary, regardless of faith choice.
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6 years ago  ::  Dec 17, 2007 - 1:15PM #26
frjimod
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From What source do you get the "it is said that' Mother Teresa converted sick Hindus to Christianity without their knowledge?
Mother Teresa explicitly directed her sisters not to engage in any form of proselytism and would direct her sisters to bring in spiritual aids of whatever religion the dying person was.
Mother was lauded by hindus for the respect she showed Hindus and Hinduism. People did convert through her example but she never(since Vatican II ,anyway, 1963) tried to induce anyone to abandon his or her religion.  All these attacks on Mother Teresa  are unfounded and are not the fruit of honest respect.
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6 years ago  ::  Dec 25, 2007 - 7:45PM #27
HinduGuy
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I am sorry that I was away for a while.

If the bible is unclear about gays and there is a debate about the translation, what else is in doubt. How can you call this book of god, if the translation is in doubt? This way you can make up anything on anything. Maybe love they neighbor isn't really saying what it does! Maybe it means something else! Maybe there are more conditions like not being gay and such before you love your neighbor which is being omitted.

I have to disagree with jm8 on the gay issue. A god who welcomes atheists into his heaven cannot be against gays, period. To me, God is this mighty being who created not one universe but many universes, with varied life forms. We are but just one form of life. That's the Hindu God. Unfortunately faiths like christianity and islam have turned God into a minority god. First they make him a male, then they turn him into a small tribe leader of christians or muslims, interested only in those who follow his rules. If anything unacceptance of Gays can be said to come out of these intolernet, narrow-minded faiths.

Correct me if I am wrong but I think Gay sex is depicted on our temple walls. Lord Siva is known as Ardhanariswara, Arjuna took the form of a gay man and was never disrespected. jm8 talks about a form of hinduism that I do not recognise, but then hare krishna's also say that Krishna is seperate from Hinduism, which to me harks back to the seperate thinking of christinity. Hinduism is an inclusive faith not an exclusive one.
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6 years ago  ::  Dec 26, 2007 - 7:45AM #28
Jm8
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HinduGuy,

> A god who welcomes atheists into his heaven

Where did you read that? Specific quotes, please, not just 'Skanda Purana'. ;)

> cannot be against gays

He is not against gays but against homosex. (Hate the sin, not the sinner.) Gays are just another type of victims of gunas/samsara.

> Unfortunately faiths like christianity and islam have turned God into a minority god. First they make him a male, then they turn him into a small tribe leader of christians or muslims, interested only in those who follow his rules.

This must be a misinterpretation. God means the Supreme Person, Supreme Ruler, Supreme Reality. He reveals Himself differently acc to time, place and circumstances though and this confuses ignorant people into thinking about a high number of competitor Gods. I must have mentioned it before but somehow this is very difficult for some people to understand.

> Correct me if I am wrong but I think Gay sex is depicted on our temple walls.

Where? These cases must be quite rare.

Ardhanarisvara is half Siva, half Devi. No gay connection. (How come you don't know that?)

Arjuna was a neuter. Ditto.

More here: http://www.answers.com/topic/homosexuality-and-hinduism

> jm8 talks about a form of hinduism that I do not recognise, but then hare krishna's also say that Krishna is seperate from Hinduism

Well, 850+ mil. of Vaisnavas don't care if someone recognize them or not. They have their own ways of recognition based on sastras.

No spiritual tradition can have a monopoly on the Lord. This is a nonsense, like trying to monopolize the Sun.

Hope this helps. Hare Krishna

"This Krishna Consciousness is a science to understand what is the difference between a dead body and a living body". (A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada)

Your servant, bh. Jan

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6 years ago  ::  Dec 26, 2007 - 4:23PM #29
Maya3
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No God is NOT against homosexual sex.

I completely agree with you Hinduguy.

Maya
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6 years ago  ::  Jan 01, 2008 - 7:22PM #30
HinduGuy
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Thank you Maya, it's nice to see like-minded people

Jm8: My knowledge of hinduism is based on my life experiences and having grown up a hindu all my life. Some of the book knowledge seems silly to me because we know that the words are being misintepreted and 2) not all the teaching are being followed, only what is convenient. Besides we are not christians, people who shout they have the "written word of god" except they keep changing it from time to time as it is conveneint.

I believe you are a convert, am I correct? You still have some christian left in you. You may have converted to hinduism but have not embraced all of its values. Christians have cut god down to size, first a human form and then a male, a male who is only interested in his people. That is simply not the hindu view. Brahma created all the planets, suns and galaxies with all their various forms of life. But there are several Brahma's each following one another. Think of this as several universes! So Imagine a God who created all these universes and within these universes all the galaxies and planets with innumerable life forms! Each life form living it's life as it sees fit. Let me tell you it's seem so narrow-minded to abuse gays or be against atheists, remember these are god's children too.

First Gays: What have they done wrong? Are they harming anyone? Bear in mind, I am a straight guy. I see that their vew of sex doesn't agree with yours, but there are so many life forms out there with totally different life styles. Forget other planets, on our own, there are Bonobo monkeys that have lot of sex, including gay sex. Guess what the bonobo society is one of the most peaceful. On the other hand, other straight monkey societies are filled with violence. There are animals that at times will eat their own young! They are not being bad, they are simply doing what they think is right, and that's all god asks of us.

Atheists: God will never hold it against you for following what you think is the truth, well at least the hindu god. Truth is higher than God. Atheists are simply saying that there is no evidence that God exists, faith is not evidence. These are not bad people. I do remember when I was young listening to a story about a hindu who went to the temple every day but never gave any help to anyone, and on the other hand a man who never went to the temple but spent his life doing good works. God welcomed the second into her heaven!

Believe in God, love God but don't be a slave to God, don't fear God. To me, that's christianity or Islam.
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