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6 years ago  ::  Nov 05, 2007 - 3:47PM #21
VanillaMocha
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And how can you be a true Jeohovah's Witness if you boast that those for whom you pray are "Those still trapped in the Jehovah's Witness faith"?

If you see being a Jehovah's Witness as being "trapped" or a "club" in which you have membership, then you can rest assured that you are certainly only fooling yourself; not goodtobehome, not me and most likely not the reader.[/QUOTE]

Again, a) the truth should stand for itself, so if a sincere question is asked, you should have a clear answer with no problem or fear. 

b) As I recall, your definition of a "true" Jehovah's Witness is one who witnesses to God's sovereignty, right to rule.  In this way, you define Abel as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, correct?  As this is the way I believe and live my life, then I don't need to "fool" anyone. 

Anyway, enough of this conversation - it seems to have become unloving / not positive, and time to call it to a halt.
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6 years ago  ::  Nov 05, 2007 - 2:59PM #22
asl1290
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[QUOTE=VanillaMocha;40673]Aren't Jehovah's Witnesses strongly discouraged from any type of charitable giving or volunteering outside the preaching work?

Watchtower 1951 11/1 p. 644
Awake 1973 11/22 p. 26
Watchtower 2003 6/1 p. 7[/QUOTE]

Nope.  Every person decides for themselves what to do and how to do it.  What is ENCOURAGED is to put the biblical education first when it comes to your fellowman.  Teach a man to fish, so to speak. 

So now you know.

Take care.
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6 years ago  ::  Nov 05, 2007 - 3:47PM #23
VanillaMocha
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And how can you be a true Jeohovah's Witness if you boast that those for whom you pray are "Those still trapped in the Jehovah's Witness faith"?

If you see being a Jehovah's Witness as being "trapped" or a "club" in which you have membership, then you can rest assured that you are certainly only fooling yourself; not goodtobehome, not me and most likely not the reader.[/QUOTE]

Again, a) the truth should stand for itself, so if a sincere question is asked, you should have a clear answer with no problem or fear. 

b) As I recall, your definition of a "true" Jehovah's Witness is one who witnesses to God's sovereignty, right to rule.  In this way, you define Abel as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, correct?  As this is the way I believe and live my life, then I don't need to "fool" anyone. 

Anyway, enough of this conversation - it seems to have become unloving / not positive, and time to call it to a halt.
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6 years ago  ::  Nov 05, 2007 - 4:18PM #24
goodtobehome
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This conversation should never have existed beyond us 'talking amongst ourselves.'  This is not a board where we should have to explain or defend anything.

I would never think of going to the Catholic Faith community and challenging them on anything there.  Yes, I imagine that would seem quite unloving and unfriendly.
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6 years ago  ::  Nov 06, 2007 - 2:14AM #25
marken
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Hi Vanilla Mocha,
As one of Jehovah's Witnesses, I  personally, do not give a great deal to organized charities, other than the WTS, which is a charitable organization.  If you read our magazines, you will see that in all disasters, witnesses are there to offer aid.   This does cost money,  so I try to donate so that I can be part of  the giving to as many as need aid.  I also, try to donate to local persons who are in need of aid.   we have a great deal of them in our area.   The last thing I donated to was back packs for school children whose families cannot afford them.   Jehovah is very clear on charitable giving at 2 Cor. 9:7. 
with affection from Marken
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6 years ago  ::  Nov 06, 2007 - 9:38PM #26
VanillaMocha
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Marken,
I had read about the WTS helping in disasters, such as Hurricane Katrina.  However, it did disturb me when I learned that they used volunteers and donated materials and then asked that the recipients of assistance sign over all their insurance benefits to the WTS in return for the WTS using all these donated materials in their homes.  While that may seem reasonable, it takes some of the charity out of it, whlie making it seem that they are doing something more than what is really happening.
That just bugged me - it seemed too much like the example in Acts - Ananias and Saphira.
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6 years ago  ::  Nov 07, 2007 - 5:19PM #27
goodtobehome
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Of course for those that had no insurance benefits, they didn't get passed over just because they had none.  Those who did have insurance got their house fixed, then their insurance monies came in, and that gave them a 'surplus.'  Their surplus made up for the 'deficiency' of those whose insurance would not pay, or those who didn't have it.


(2 Corinthians 8:12-15) . . .. 13 For I do not mean for it to be easy for others, but hard on YOU; 14 but that by means of an equalizing YOUR surplus just now might offset their deficiency, in order that their surplus might also come to offset YOUR deficiency, that an equalizing might take place. 15 Just as it is written: “The person with much did not have too much, and the person with little did not have too little.”

What a marvelous, scriptural system!
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