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6 years ago  ::  Oct 15, 2007 - 5:29PM #1
James613
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It looks cool, and definitly interesting.
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6 years ago  ::  Oct 16, 2007 - 10:43PM #2
Eliava
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We hope everyone will enjoy it. I find it easier/faster to move around here than on the old boards.
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6 years ago  ::  Oct 18, 2007 - 12:41PM #3
Pam34
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You  know, I don't think 'noachide movement' belongs under 'judaism'. I think it should have it's own personal forum.
Blessed are You, HaShem, Who blesses the years.
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6 years ago  ::  Oct 27, 2007 - 1:26PM #4
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Actually it kind of does belong.  Looked it up and it is a chasidic movement,  Chad Lubivutchers(spelling?) who started it for Christians.  I personall think they are using this to get arround the fact that Jews are not supposed to be missionaries to gentiles.

I think that makes it hard to tell where it should go on the threads.

Laura
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6 years ago  ::  Oct 27, 2007 - 1:26PM #5
lauramushkat
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Actually it kind of does belong.  Looked it up and it is a chasidic movement,  Chad Lubivutchers(spelling?) who started it for Christians.  I personall think they are using this to get arround the fact that Jews are not supposed to be missionaries to gentiles.

I think that makes it hard to tell where it should go on the threads.

Laura
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6 years ago  ::  Oct 28, 2007 - 5:10PM #6
James613
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It's Chabad Lubavitcher, and the "movement" wasn't started by them. It extends back to the  Talmudic period at the latest, since I believe that the "Noahide Covenant" was actually given through Moses. What may have confused you is that Chabad does the most outreach to non-Jews, and Chasidic Noahides are, I think, the majority. I personally would like to think that I am a Chasidic Noahide, but some might not since I am leaning towards a liberal standpoint on matters of Torah, but in the end it is what I think, and what HaShem wants, that matters.
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6 years ago  ::  Oct 30, 2007 - 1:15PM #7
lauramushkat
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The reasons I say the Chasidic started it was that if you look under Noahides on the internet the first few are all Chabad sites.  Did not realize that the Covenant given to Moses, as believed by the Noahides, went all the way from then.  I thought it had stopped for centuries and was brought back by the Chabad who is using it to get Christians into Judasim by that route.

Laura
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6 years ago  ::  Oct 30, 2007 - 9:03PM #8
James613
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Chabad, I believe, is the first movement within Judaism to stress observence of the Seven Noahide Laws. Reform Judaism, the largest branch, doesn't stress it much, and, from what I gather, doesn't seem to understand why a non-Jew would want to learn and live Torah without being a Jew, and I don't know what the Conservative branch says. Also I'd like to note that Noahide beliefs on matters are vary diverse, and I may be one of the only ones that believe that the Noahide Covenant was first transmitted through Moses, since I don't believe in a literal flood, or a literal Noah, but the "common" Noahide opinion is that the covenant was given by G-d to Noah, as "most" take the events of the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible) to be literal events.
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6 years ago  ::  Nov 02, 2007 - 7:27AM #9
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I might be wrong here as my books on the subject are at home and I'm out at a neighbour's house but here goes:

The1st century CE Qumran Community comprised a mixture of extreme zealot groups (the sicarii) and Essenes and Ebionites (the poor) and attached to these were the N'ilvim - gentile joiners who were attracted to the way of life and faith and equally opposed to the Roman occupiers. These N'ilvim were not bound to obey the whole Torah but were enjoined to obey the Noachide laws - there is a reflection of this in Acts 15 where the Jerusalem Church (actually non-Jesus following Jews and imho Ebionites under James) lay only a few laws on the gentiles who wished to be a part of their movement.

All this was brought to a sudden end by the Roman War and only echoes remain. 

Of course this may be misfounded conjecture - who is to know?

It is curious however that the Dead Sea Scrolls contain the Qumran Community rules and these mirror exactly what is attributed to the early church in Acts 2:44 ff- again, imho the early church of Acts did not exist as a community of Jesus followers but was the Qumran Community annexed in Jerusalem and woven into the Acts' dubious narrative by later writers who had their own motives for pushing the Jesus story.

Once again, one can only shrug and accept what one accepts and deny whatever one chooses to disbelieve.
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6 years ago  ::  Nov 02, 2007 - 7:36AM #10
Bunsinspace
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Sectarian POV's and historical fads notwithstanding, Torah designates all extant human soeities as Noachides.  It is the way in which the divine manfests the merit of all peoples through the lens of Torah.

Upon first-hand examination on every people, we learn that no people intentionally disobeys the Noachide laws, but all peoples fall short in certain areas.  And where one people blames another people for failing to obey these basic divine laws, they are always exaggerating or completely mistaken.

The Noachide laws are not just a Jewish compilation of minimal standards, they are a divine ratification of the observation of basic human truths about societal function which promotes the survival of any people AFAIK.
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